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re: All joking aside does anyone else think its dumb how all these QBs transfer do often now?

Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:33 pm to
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:33 pm to
It’s worked out pretty well for the top prospects..

I wouldn’t want to sit behind someone else if I could start at another elite school.
Posted by ZOUtiger
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:40 pm to
It’s seeming to work out well for Mizzou this year. So, no, doesn’t bother me. Lol
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 8:41 pm to
Forces coaches to be more honest. Nothing wrong with that.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:08 pm to
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You're just pissed because none of them want to transfer to Arkansas


Mallett worked out ok.

Along the same lines of this thread, players are treating it as a business more than ever before. We have players that are friends with other players on rival teams that hang out all the time while back in the day that was frowned upon. Arkansas had a player from Florida a few years ago that was openly rooting for UK basketball over us when we played them since he grew up a fan. Team pride doesn’t matter as much as getting to the NFL for a lot of them. It’s just a job.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 9:29 pm to
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Along the same lines of this thread, players are treating it as a business more than ever before. We have players that are friends with other players on rival teams that hang out all the time while back in the day that was frowned upon. Arkansas had a player from Florida a few years ago that was openly rooting for UK basketball over us when we played them since he grew up a fan. Team pride doesn’t matter as much as getting to the NFL for a lot of them. It’s just a job.


Well, you're filling a slot that an in-state player who was life-long Arkansas fan could have taken with an out-of-state player in order to build the best team. It's pretty much fair turnaround if the out-of-state player doesn't have any particular loyalty to your university other than the specific team he plays on. Both sides are compromising on the loyalty issue here, so there's really no valid reason to complain.

The way I'd contextualize it is: Would you be okay with your coach passing up superior talent that didn't grow up fans of Arkansas in favor of inferior talent that love Arkansas to death?
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:28 pm to
The concept of amateur athletics is now 100% completely dead.

There actually was a time where most guys, even the most talented ones, played primarily out of pride and a sense of loyalty to one's school, team, teammates, and coach, but those days are long over.

It slowly drained away over the decades and now we've fully reached the point where college football is just minor league professional football.

It sucks but it's not changing back unfortunately. Players quitting mid season, sitting out bowls, transferring, etc. It's just the new landscape of the game. Way more focus on individuals and less focus on team.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7595 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:35 pm to
I get what you’re saying but it seems like your future alma mater would trump a team you grew up liking (especially if it’s not even in the same state). Some of our Louisiana players retweet LSU stuff but they don’t root for them to beat us.

I do think a lot of us expect our players to hate other teams as much as we the fans do but they don’t care about that as much as we realize IMO.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68611 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:47 pm to
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It’s worked out pretty well for the top prospects..

Has it, though? Sine 2010, there have been 16 five-star QBs according to 247sports entering this season. 10 of them have transferred.

Phillip Simms - Alabama -> UVA -> Winston Salem St
Jeff Driskel - Florida -> La Tech
Gunner Kiel - LSU -> Notre Dame -> Cincinnati
Max Browne - USC -> Pittsburgh
Kyle Allen - Texas A&M -> Houston
Blake Barnett - Alabama -> Arizona St -> USF
Kyler Murray - Texas A&M -> Oklahoma
Shea Patterson - Ole Miss -> Michigan
Jacob Eason - UGA -> Washington
Hunter Johnson - Clemson -> Northwestern

How many of those guys would you say things worked out well? Obviously the last two are TBD given they say out this year. Simms, Kiel, Browne, and Barnett didn;t do jack. Kyle Allen was benched at Houston in 2017. Driskel did ok at La Tech, but wouldn't one imagine he'd have done better at Florida in 2015? Remember, Treon Harris was the starter in 2015. Really, the only definite "worked out pretty well for the top prospects" we have had since 2010 (if we limit it to 5 stars) are Kyler Murray and Shea Patterson.

This article is from 2017, but it's a good read
LINK
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 10:49 pm
Posted by cornhat
Member since Feb 2011
3393 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 10:59 pm to
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What happened to turn every quarterback into a bunch of little bitches?
Fans are little bitches.

The more ability players have in making decisions regarding their professional future, the better.
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
Member since Apr 2012
6625 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:02 pm to
So if the guys that transferred would have stayed where they originally went, are you saying they would have started? A lot of top QBs are busts. That’s why they end up at the smaller schools or transfer somewhere that needs a QB. It works out for both parties.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68611 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:06 pm to
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The more ability players have in making decisions regarding their professional future, the better.

I don't think people have any problem with players making decisions that are best for them. I think people are questioning how wise those decisions actually have been and will continue to be. I know, at LSU at least, if a QB has stuck it out, he generally ends up the starter and has found success. Matt Flynn rode the bench for 3 years, started as a 5th year senior, won a national title, and earned a nice chunk of change in the NFL. Jarrett Lee was thrown into a terrible situation as a freshman, was treated like shite by the fans and the media, stuck it out, started his 5th year senior season, won the SEC, and led LSU to the national title game. Rohan Davey rode the bench behind Josh Booty for 2 years and wasn't the full-time starter until his senior year. He led LSU to it's first SEC title since 1988 in 2001 and a Sugar Bowl win.

IMO (and like I said before, I'd love to see the numbers) I believe a player who sticks it out in the same program finds his way into a good situation more frequently than guys who transfer due to not playing early. I think too many high school QBs are coddled and told how good they are not realizing there are a finite number of starting jobs in college football and they are one of a dozen or more elite QBs each recruiting cycle. Not all of them will or should be starting early in their careers, but too many of them have the wrong people telling them otherwise. They are a product of our society, honestly. People don't seem to have any patience and want immediate results all the time. Unfortunately, that isn't always realistic or reasonable. They want things handed to them, not earned.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 11:19 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68611 posts
Posted on 12/18/18 at 11:16 pm to
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So if the guys that transferred would have stayed where they originally went, are you saying they would have started?

of the guys listed I think Driskel would have started at Florida in 2015, Kyle Allen would have probably started last year at A&M, and Eason I believe could have potentially pushed to start at UGA this year. Phillip Sims had academic issues at UVA, which prompted the transfer, but lets say he doesn't have those issues. If he had stayed at Alabama, he would have been battling for the starting QB job in 2014 with Blake Sims (a converted QB to RB and back to QB). He didn't leave Alabama for grade issues, he left because he was playing behind AJ McCarron.

And maybe it worked out for some schools, but I thought the discussion was on whether it worked out better for the players and how often it does?

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