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re: Alex Leatherwood pens letter, read by Bama players via UA Football twitter
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:17 am to skrayper
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:17 am to skrayper
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This entire exchange operates under the presumption that Zimmerman is telling the truth. Considering the bias in the situation, one should not take his account to be absolute. I'm not saying he is lying, but he is not an impartial observer in the situation. He was being questioned about killing someone. It is unlikely he would say, "I saw a black kid and shot him because I'm scared of black kids."
Treating his word as impartial is a poor method of forming opinions of guilt or innocence.
No doubt, but its all we have to go on and all the evidence corroborates his account.
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:19 am to skrayper
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Treating his word as impartial is a poor method of forming opinions of guilt or innocence.
What would be the alternative.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:19 am to SidewalkTiger
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All of this could've been avoided if Martin would've identified himself like any reasonable person would've done.
I can just as easily say it could have all been avoided had Zimmerman stayed in his car and let the police handle it.
It's curious you seem to put a higher standard of behavior on a 17 year old instead of an adult.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:22 am to The Spleen
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I can just as easily say it could have all been avoided had Zimmerman stayed in his car and let the police handle it.
I agree.
However, as I said, Zimmerman had been placed in a position of "authority" by the neighborhood and seemed to feel it was his obligation to prevent crime.
It seemed he'd been in situations like this prior and the police had failed to "handle" it.
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It's curious you seem to put a higher standard of behavior on a 17 year old instead of an adult
Perhaps its because I was in this type of situation as a teen and simply identified why I was there instead of attacking the person questioning me.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 11:25 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:34 am to SidewalkTiger
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No doubt, but its all we have to go on and all the evidence corroborates his account.
After re-reading the details, it seems a lot of evidence corroborates, but not all. We only have Zimmerman's account of who started the altercation. That said, when looking up Zimmerman's history of police calls, I don't think I would comfortably believe the incident is as clear cut self-defense as he makes it out to be. Nor would I immediately assume Zimmerman is guilty of murder either. The whole thing is messy.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:35 am to skrayper
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After re-reading the details, it seems a lot of evidence corroborates, but not all.
What doesn't?
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That said, when looking up Zimmerman's history of police calls, I don't think I would comfortably believe the incident is as clear cut self-defense as he makes it out to be.
How so?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:37 am to SidewalkTiger
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Perhaps its because I was in this type of situation as a teen and simply identified why I was there instead of attacking the person questioning me.
I've been in that situation as an adult in my own neighborhood. I told the guy it was none of his business who I was and why I was walking my dog at 2 in the morning and he drove off.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:39 am to The Spleen
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I've been in that situation as an adult in my own neighborhood. I told the guy it was none of his business who I was and why I was walking my dog at 2 in the morning and he drove off.
An adult is much less likely to get into a confrontation with another adult than a teen.
Also, someone walking a dog isn't as likely to be out committing crimes.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:57 am to SidewalkTiger
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What doesn't?
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During a bond hearing on April 20, 2012, Investigator Dale Gilbreath testified under oath that he did not know whether Zimmerman or Martin started the fight and that there is no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claim that he was walking back to his vehicle when Martin confronted him. Gilbreath, however, questioned Zimmerman's statement that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager, saying it was "not consistent with the evidence we found."
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How so?
His own history of constantly calling the police, for things that include children playing. Three separate charges of domestic violence.
I do not claim that Zimmerman was guilty or not. I'm stating that we, the public, with limited knowledge likely should note quote statements from defendants as the unbridled truth. The final point is that, he was found not guilty and that's that.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:03 pm to skrayper
I don't think Zimmerman set out to attack or kill Martin, I believe he truly acted in self defense.
I believe he got out of bounds by pursuing Martin since he wasn't a cop but when Martin initiated a physical attack, I believe Zimmerman did have the right to defend himself.
I do think Zimmerman is a "wanna be" and a shitty human being just based on his behavior outside of the Martin situation.
I believe he got out of bounds by pursuing Martin since he wasn't a cop but when Martin initiated a physical attack, I believe Zimmerman did have the right to defend himself.
I do think Zimmerman is a "wanna be" and a shitty human being just based on his behavior outside of the Martin situation.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
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However, as I said, Zimmerman had been placed in a position of "authority" by the neighborhood and seemed to feel it was his obligation to prevent crime.
Preventing crime doesn't have shite to do with violating Trayvon's 4th amendment rights
His real job is to be visible and hopefully discourage criminals from attempting crime in that Community, it ain't his job to track down and stalk folks and violate their Constitutional Rights, nor does he have any right to interrogate anyone
His authority is limited to being visible, and hopefully reporting CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, it ain't in his authority to try and stop anyone walking down the sidewalk, nor does he have a right to interrogate anyone
This is WHY when he told 911 that he was a bitch arse rent-a-Cop, 911 told him "do not engage"
I'm not sure, did the Homeowners Assn know that he was armed, was his position an armed security guard?
Are you one of those guys that loves the Constitution, but you hate the Constitution when Blacks say "hey it applies to me also"?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:45 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Preventing crime doesn't have shite to do with violating Trayvon's 4th amendment rights
His real job is to be visible and hopefully discourage criminals from attempting crime in that Community, it ain't his job to track down and stalk folks and violate their Constitutional Rights, nor does he have any right to interrogate anyone
No doubt. Which is why I said he got "out of bounds" in my comment. Can you not read?
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This is WHY when he told 911 that he was a bitch arse rent-a-Cop, 911 told him "do not engage"
According to Zimmerman, he was on his way back to his vehicle when Martin engaged him. Can you not read?
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Are you one of those guys that loves the Constitution, but you hate the Constitution when Blacks say "hey it applies to me also"?
Are you one of those guys that can not read?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
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First of all, he wasn't "stalking" anyone, he was simply trying to find out what the kid was up to.
Perhaps Martin could've just told him who he was and why he was there instead of physically attacking him but that would've made too much sense.
He had no right to find out what someone is up to when they are walking down the sidewalk
The sad part is that your baseline standard is biased and racist and you don't even see it, you think that in America a Minority has to explain themselves for some reason or another
If the teen was peeking into a basement window or lifting door handles on cars to see if one was unlocked, ONLY THEN does Zimmerman have the right to approach and ask questions, that is clearly questionable behavior, a Teen walking down the sidewalk is not questionable behavior, no matter what Zimmerman's job title is, that Teen doesn't own him jack shite, AND Zimmerman had no reason to call the Cops AND no reason to approach a person walking down the sidewalk
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Martin told him to "Shut the frick up" as he hit him in the face and pounded his head on a concrete sidewalk. When Zimmerman tried to move off the concrete, Martin saw his gun and said "You're going to die tonight motherfricker!" Martin grabbed for the gun, but Zimmerman grabbed it first. He said after firing his weapon at Martin, he was not sure at first that he had hit him, so he got on top of him in order to subdue him. Bystanders and police arrived shortly after Martin was shot.
Where is this from?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:11 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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He had no right to find out what someone is up to when they are walking down the sidewalk
You keep saying he was "just walking down the sidewalk," where do you get this from?
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AND Zimmerman had no reason to call the Cops
A resident of a neighborhood can call the cops anytime they see someone who they feel is a suspicious person. Its a pretty common happening.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:12 pm to rockiee
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Where is this from?
I copied and pasted it from Wikipedia but its originally from Zimmerman's statement. They have links there.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:12 pm to SidewalkTiger
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According to Zimmerman, he was on his way back to his vehicle when Martin engaged him. Can you not read?
He's a liar
Cops call it "tes-ti-lying" --you say whatever you have to to stay out of Jail and to not lose your Job
We're supposed to believe a Teen that walks to the store for candy & Arizona Iced Tea, sees this guy walk up, then as the guy walks away, the Teen just loses his mind, turns rabid and attacks Zimmerman just a few hundred yards (less than 1\4 mile) from where his father lives
Back when this case occurred, there hadn't been the rash of scumbag cops caught on Video lying their asses off, had this incident occurred in 2020 Zimmerman is in Prison for Involuntary Manslaughter, back then the mentality was, " he's a blaçk teen, the other guy must be telling the truth"
That kind of thinking is quickly evaporating among many Americans, now many in America know what Minority Communities have know for a long time --- Cops lie, and they lie a lot
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:14 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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He's a liar
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:14 pm to SidewalkTiger
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its originally from Zimmerman's statement.
Gotcha, it gave those vibes but wasn't sure if there was something I missed.
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