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re: Alabama student recounts being in (literally) the tornado
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:43 am to RebFeBrees
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:43 am to RebFeBrees
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Oh, and Frick Piggly Wiggly, why would'nt they let in a bleeding man in the midst of disaster?
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Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:45 am to Govt Tide
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There aren't the same specific judgments in the New Testament against places that are in the Old Testament. I was speaking more from the standpoint of the fact that while Jesus did in fact atone for the sins of His people, the earth itself is still sin cursed and therefore terrible things like deadly tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, volcanoes still occur like they have since Old Testament days. In other words, "bad" things still happen.
We agree completely on this, I believe. I was just pointing out the fact that God didn't "cause it to happen", like the dude was suggesting.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:45 am to Monticello
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This could have been a really friendly and uplifting discussion for a lot of people and you have to come hijack it with your shock value.
And this. Sorry for contributing to the hijack.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:50 am to superman
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Oh, and Frick Piggly Wiggly, why would'nt they let in a bleeding man in the midst of disaster?
I think we have to be really careful about blaming Piggly Wiggly management. The story states that he "heard" they were not letting people in there. I'm sure if he was badly injured and there was someone there to let him in, they would have. You have to understand the part of the city that Piggly Wiggly is in and understandably the fear the owner would have of looting. After all, the author of the story personally witnessed two thugs try to rob the Regions Bank right next the the Piggly Wiggly immediately after the storm.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 10:51 am to Monticello
Good points.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 11:33 am to superman
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We agree completely on this, I believe. I was just pointing out the fact that God didn't "cause it to happen", like the dude was suggesting.
Disclaimer:::I know this is the wrong board but since the thread already got off track and doesn't look like it's gonna get corrected anytime soon I might as well put my .02 in
To save time and words you and Gov Tide seem to be arguing two different views on Christain theology. He seems to be coming from a more reformed theology and you seem to be coming from a more arminian view.
If you believe that everything was predestined from the beginning of time then yes he did cause it to happen just like he created everything to happen just like it does. Don't confuse that with God being part of sin in any way. Just because evil happens in the world and bad things doesn't mean we arn't deserving of this and any mercy that does happen is God's blessing we definatly do not deserve. God's rightous judgement can be seen in this temporal world and in the next world to come.
Are you saying God is not in complete control of the entire universe and everything that happens he is not completly able to control? He wished he could stop bad things from hapening but the Devil got the best of him? Of course not, he allows evil and the devil to have some power for now. One day on the final judgement, everything will be set in order and made right, but as long as sin is in the world, evil will remain and bad things happen to "good" and "bad people", Christain and non-Christain etc.
and to respond to the verse you put up earlier to make your point:
What a reformer would say is the verse you are referring to Superman is talking about saving us from God's eaternal wrath, which of course is the great Victory of Salvation in Christ. It does not guarentee us that we would be excluded from great pain and suffering on this temporal earthly dwelling.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 11:49 am
Posted on 5/6/11 at 11:59 am to bigbowe80
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To save time and words you and Gov Tide seem to be arguing two different views on Christain theology. He seems to be coming from a more reformed theology and you seem to be coming from a more arminian view.
I can't speak for anyone else, but you are correctly interpreting my viewpoint. I grew up with an arminian viewpoint but came around to a more reformed viewpoint later in life. Romans Chapter 9 was very eye opening to say the least.
I think super and I have officially taken this thread off subject in our responses to an earlier troll. You're response (bigbowe) is a deeper discussion best suited for another board. In other words, we need to get this thread back on subject.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:05 pm to Govt Tide
I agree Govt Tide, sorry to everybody on SEC rant for taking it too deep on the wrong board.
That's cool though, we are definately in the minority when it comes to that viewpoint, I feel like I have a new TD friend from Bama so it's gonna be hard for me to disagree with you in the future on any rant's involving our respective teams. lol
That's cool though, we are definately in the minority when it comes to that viewpoint, I feel like I have a new TD friend from Bama so it's gonna be hard for me to disagree with you in the future on any rant's involving our respective teams. lol
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:05 pm to superman
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We agree completely on this, I believe. I was just pointing out the fact that God didn't "cause it to happen", like the dude was suggesting.
Well he didn't stop it either.. did he? If you're capable of stopping an event with the snap of a finger and you sit by and watch you are just as guilty of a crime as who/whatever caused it. He either could not or did not.. your call. I think he's imaginary so it doesn't matter either way
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:25 pm to bmy
Wow, so glad to see you Rantards using an opportunity for praising acts of heroism to instead turn it into a religion-bashing shitfit. You should all be ashamed 
I put this link of Facebook and have already gotten some amazing responses. This is one of the most inspirational storied I have read.
And for my $.02 on the religion thing: The author clearly stated why he thought he had survived. Read the last sentence of the next-to-last paragraph.
I put this link of Facebook and have already gotten some amazing responses. This is one of the most inspirational storied I have read.
And for my $.02 on the religion thing: The author clearly stated why he thought he had survived. Read the last sentence of the next-to-last paragraph.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:27 pm to QCC
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Wow, so glad to see you Rantards using an opportunity for praising acts of heroism to instead turn it into a religion-bashing shitfit. You should all be ashamed
The guy should be thankful he's alive. You only live once. It's a frickin tragedy that people died man.. and nature is one bad bitch.
I absolutely disagree with his opinion on why he believes he lived.. but he is free to believe what he wants. Neither of our beliefs change the truth. If he didn't want to incite discussion he should have kept his beliefs to himself.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:31 pm to bmy
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he guy should be thankful he's alive. You only live once. It's a frickin tragedy that people died man.. and nature is one bad bitch
He stated why HE was thankful, and that's really all that matters. I'm amazed at some people's rudeness.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:35 pm to QCC
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He stated why HE was thankful, and that's really all that matters. I'm amazed at some people's rudeness.
If he didn't want to incite discussion he should have kept his beliefs to himself. His remarks could be taken as rude by someone else.. exactly like you took my remarks as rude.
I don't think either of them are rude, fwiw. Need to relax a little man.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:36 pm to bmy
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If he didn't want to incite discussion he should have kept his beliefs to himself. His remarks could be taken as rude by someone else.. exactly like you took my remarks as rude.
I don't think either of them are rude, fwiw. Need to relax a little man
My apologies if I gave you the wrong impression. I wasn't sayins any ONE person's posts were rude. I just thought it was disrespectful to divulve from the OP's thread about someone surviving a tornado and start taking shots at one's religion. That's all. I'm always relaxed, especially on Friday
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:37 pm to bmy
Why must some nonbelievers feel a need to mock or degrade someones belief, especially in a time of tragedy? It shouldn't be that hard to turn your head and move along if their belief isn't the same as yours, especially when they are simply telling their tragedy. Sometimes a little respect can go a long way.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 12:38 pm to Alahunter
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Why must some nonbelievers feel a need to mock or degrade someones belief, especially in a time of tragedy? It shouldn't be that hard to turn your head and move along if their belief isn't the same as yours, especially when they are simply telling their tragedy. Sometimes a little respect can go a long way
THIS x 1,000,000
Posted on 5/6/11 at 1:14 pm to QCC
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My apologies if I gave you the wrong impression. I wasn't sayins any ONE person's posts were rude. I just thought it was disrespectful to divulve from the OP's thread about someone surviving a tornado and start taking shots at one's religion. That's all. I'm always relaxed, especially on Friday
Posted on 5/6/11 at 1:17 pm to Alahunter
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Why must some nonbelievers feel a need to mock or degrade someones belief, especially in a time of tragedy? It shouldn't be that hard to turn your head and move along if their belief isn't the same as yours, especially when they are simply telling their tragedy. Sometimes a little respect can go a long way.
I didn't disrespect the guy though.
It's not like I would bring that up in public.. at all.. that would be horrible. We're discussing this dudes story and it included religion.. I'm not mocking him or degrading him in any way. It's not like religion is off-topic in regards to his story anyways. It's entirely on topic.
Posted on 5/6/11 at 1:41 pm to bigbowe80
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That's cool though, we are definately in the minority when it comes to that viewpoint, I feel like I have a new TD friend from Bama so it's gonna be hard for me to disagree with you in the future on any rant's involving our respective teams. lol
That we are. I should say that I'm not hardcore. I still have a sense of humor and like to have a drink or three on a somewhat regular basis. I've met a few people from both background that seem hardcore to the point of not enjoying life at all.
Don't worry about disagreeing. Bammers and Rantards can always find plenty to disagree about.
This post was edited on 5/6/11 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 5/6/11 at 1:51 pm to bmy
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If he didn't want to incite discussion he should have kept his beliefs to himself. His remarks could be taken as rude by someone else.. exactly like you took my remarks as rude.
Pause for just a second and think about what you are typing. Time and place......... Can we please clean the rubble before the "I'm an atheist and I really really need you to know it" crowd comes out casting blame, testing everyone's faith and letting us all know how dumb we are?
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