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Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:20 pm to geauxbrown
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:20 pm to geauxbrown
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How many recruits do they have committed vs LSU? Does Rivals have Bama with any 5 star recruits, because that’s just crazy to think they wouldn’t have any signed?
We have the same number of 5 star recruits “signed” as LobSessedU
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:21 pm to DawginSC
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Again, you have to consider volume for the base rankings.
I see, so Ohio State who has one less recruit than Bama will end up in the 6-10 range. Got it.
You are talking out of your arse.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:24 pm to geauxbrown
Every summer we hear the same thing about Alabama recruiting
Eta that DeBoer’s recruiting has a lot of your panties twisted
Eta that DeBoer’s recruiting has a lot of your panties twisted
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:24 pm to DawginSC
So by your metric they are 12th, 8th, or 6th.
He hasn’t coached a game at Alabama and is recruiting at a top 10 level.
That doesn’t fit at all with the Deboer can’t recruit narrative.
If he has a 10+ win season he will flip some guys.. Very likely at least one LSU recruit. LSU already lost one 5*, it would be a damned shame if they lost another before signing day. Just a real shame.
He hasn’t coached a game at Alabama and is recruiting at a top 10 level.
That doesn’t fit at all with the Deboer can’t recruit narrative.
If he has a 10+ win season he will flip some guys.. Very likely at least one LSU recruit. LSU already lost one 5*, it would be a damned shame if they lost another before signing day. Just a real shame.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:29 pm to DawginSC
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Under Saban Bama was always in the top 3 in that category for the entire recruiting season.
Patently false.
Every year this place has proclaimed the death of Alabama recruiting during the summer. Every. Single. Year.
Maybe this year will finally be your year when Alabama will finish outside the top 5 in recruiting.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:34 pm to DeBoersTheMan
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I see, so Ohio State who has one less recruit than Bama will end up in the 6-10 range. Got it.
You are talking out of your arse.
OSU is #1 in average player ranking. They'll likely end up #1 because of that.
Bama did this some years under Saban (other years they'd have small numbers up front and add a lot later in the process, but they'd always have a high average player rating).
Bama right now has 5-10 range talent in their class.. They also have a relatively small number of 5 stars who have Bama listed high on their lists (compared to OSU, UGA , Clemson and Texas).
Bama needs to basically hit on all of those guys to end up in the top 3. If they hit on half (which is a GOOD result) they'll be around 6th or 7th in the final rankings. That's right about where their average ranking puts them now.
Again, this isn't new. UF last year and Tennessee the year before were crowing about being ranked high at this time of year. But then when other teams (like Bama) added numbers to their classes that already had much higher average ratings, they blew past UF and UT.
Rutgers is currently ranked 6th in Rivals and 9th in 247. Their class isn't good. It's just got 27 players in it (22 are 3 stars, 5 are 4-stars, 0 are 5-stars).
Again, at this time of year look at the average player rating.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:37 pm to captdalton
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Patently false.
Every year this place has proclaimed the death of Alabama recruiting during the summer. Every. Single. Year.
Maybe this year will finally be your year when Alabama will finish outside the top 5 in recruiting.
Well I didn't because anyone looking at the overall ranking rather than the average player rating at this time of year is looking at fools gold.
I remember early last year or the year before (can't remember which) people were talking bad about Bama's class because it was ranked low at this time of year. It had something like 7 players. But it was 2 5-stars and 5 4-stars and they had the highest average rating at the time.
The result was Bama with a top 3 class... which the average player rating suggested even when their class was small.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:45 pm to captdalton
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So by your metric they are 12th, 8th, or 6th.
He hasn’t coached a game at Alabama and is recruiting at a top 10 level.
That doesn’t fit at all with the Deboer can’t recruit narrative.
If he has a 10+ win season he will flip some guys.. Very likely at least one LSU recruit. LSU already lost one 5*, it would be a damned shame if they lost another before signing day. Just a real shame.
He's doing pretty good as a recruiter.
He's just not in the Nick Saban/Kirby Smart/Ryan Day range.
He's recruiting in the Mark Richt/Brian Kelly/Dabo Swinney range.
All of them are/were very good recruiters. But none of them are elite. Bama is not going to drop down to an Arkansas or Mizzou or Kentucky level of talent. But they may very well go from the most talented team in college football who had a talent edge over all but 1-2 other teams (essentially UGA and OSU in recent years) to being a team in the 5-10 range of talent who has a fair number of conference foes with a similar overall talent level.
It won't happen this upcoming season or even the season after. But as Saban's elite classes move on and Deboer's very good classes come in, it will happen over time. You're looking at having a similar level of talent to LSU, Texas, A&M and OU rather than an edge in talent on all of them. And you're likely looking at having a bit less talent than UGA rather than the same amount (and UGA had only gotten to the same level as Bama in talent in the last 3 seasons or so, before that you had an edge over EVERY SEC team in talent)
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:52 pm to DawginSC
You seem more invested in this than me. It is still a long way from 2025. Good luck in your endeavor.
Like I said, every single summer this board proclaims the death of Alabama recruiting. Maybe you will be the one that finally gets it right?
Like I said, every single summer this board proclaims the death of Alabama recruiting. Maybe you will be the one that finally gets it right?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:59 pm to captdalton
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LSU already lost one 5*
Sounds like he may still be interested
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:04 pm to captdalton
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You seem more invested in this than me. It is still a long way from 2025. Good luck in your endeavor.
Like I said, every single summer this board proclaims the death of Alabama recruiting. Maybe you will be the one that finally gets it right?
I got annoyed at UF fans last year proclaiming their recruiting was great because of early volume.
I got annoyed at Tennessee fans the year before that doing the same thing.
This year it's apparently Bama fans' turn.
Your recruiting isn't going to die. It's likely just going to go from top 3 in the nation every season to in the 5-10 range. It will still be very good. But you've had truly elite recruiting results for the last 10-15 years. Deboer simply doesn't look like another Nick Saban based on early recruiting results. He looks like a Mark Richt when it comes to recruiting.
Richt's last 5 seasons at UGA, UGA was 6th, 8th, 12th, 9th and 7th. That's very good. But Bama under Saban those same 5 years was 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st and 1st.
That's the difference between a very good recruiter and an elite one. Over time you'll see a drop off in talent because of it.
That being said, Deboer is an EXCELLENT coach. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a couple of titles with Bama. But he's simply not the recruiter Saban, Ryan Day or Kirby Smart are.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
And such is recruiting. Which is why the OP and everyone making definitive proclamations about 2025 recruiting classes are dumb shits.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:11 pm to captdalton
Following recruiting is a fool's errand these days.
Kids these days are committing two or three times then transferring a time or two for good measure.
At this point, we even have true freshmen transferring before they've even suited up.
Kids these days are committing two or three times then transferring a time or two for good measure.
At this point, we even have true freshmen transferring before they've even suited up.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:22 pm to DawginSC
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Bama needs to basically hit on all of those guys to end up in the top 3. If they hit on half (which is a GOOD result) they'll be around 6th or 7th in the final rankings. That's right about where their average ranking puts them now.
See you in January
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:12 am to DawginSC
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That being said, Deboer is an EXCELLENT coach. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a couple of titles with Bama. But he's simply not the recruiter Saban, Ryan Day or Kirby Smart are.
Ryan Day has zero national titles and Kirby Smart has 1 one win against Alabama.
Neither are good game day coaches.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 12:13 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 5:48 am to geauxbrown
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:23 am to geauxbrown
BAMA will have 5 stars. Don't let your little heart worry. BAMA is currently top 5 with a coach who "can't recruit" in his first 4 months on the job. The narrative shift has already begun from "Husky Harsin can't recruit" to "Alabama recruits itself". This won't be the last time blowhard losers move those goal posts.
BAMA comin.
BAMA comin.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:33 am to DeBoersTheMan
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3,3,4 national rankings according to the big 3 recruiting services. hope in one hand.. you know the rest I think we'll end up 2 behind Ohio State this year, we'll be back to 1 next though.
You think you finish over LSU and UGA? Lol
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:37 am to Nitro Express
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BAMA will have 5 stars. Don't let your little heart worry. BAMA is currently top 5 with a coach who "can't recruit" in his first 4 months on the job. The narrative shift has already begun from "Husky Harsin can't recruit" to "Alabama recruits itself". This won't be the last time blowhard losers move those goal posts.
You know you truly don’t have a top 5 coach. Look at all the rankings from 2023 and you’ll see DeBust ranked 20-25+. He has one season with a national title appearance and jumps to top 5? No way. Bama signs him? Then the media makes that jump
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