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re: Alabama QB Mac Jones has orchestrated arguably the best passing attack in CFB history

Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:22 pm to
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
20237 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:22 pm to
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You don't understand the PFF do you? They damn sure aren't using lame arse stats like those LSU fans cite.

I noticed you didn't want to claim to believe the stats were accurate. Just skipped right over that part.

Tell me how you're a dumbass who thinks Kentucky has the best passing defense in the SEC and that no other SEC team has a passing defense in the top50


No of course not, only stats that make Mac Jones look good are accurate. All the other ones just show that this is an asterisk season.

To review, Kentucky can't actually be a top passing defense because the statistics aren't accurate.
Mac Jones is the best QB of all time because the statistics are accurate.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 4:23 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104987 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:23 pm to
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No, not silly, shows the difference in competition


What a team is ranked at the time of the game has nothing to do with level of competition.

Auburn was ranked #21 when we played them this season. Auburn sucked. They should not be a Top 25 win.

Georgia was ranked #3 when we beat them. It would be silly to refer to beating Georgia as a "Top 3 win".


Time of game rankings are dumb.
Posted by bstew3006
318
Member since Dec 2007
12760 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:23 pm to
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Anyone who uses time of game rankings for any purpose is just someone trying to paint a false picture.

Unless you are just trying to point out how over-rated they were when you played them.



7 of 7 in top 10 at the time

5 of 7 in top 10 final rank

7 of 7 in top 25 final rank

quote:

Auburn was ranked #21 when we played them this season. Auburn sucked. They should not be a Top 25 win.


Well, that’s bc they aren’t one lol
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Crimson K
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2018
5813 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:24 pm to
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ones would have been on the bench his whole career if his competition was:
Trevor Lawrence
Fields
Burrow
M Stafford
C Newton
Russel Wilson
Philip Rivers
Lamar Jackson

The list would go on an on.


Burrow literally transferred because he couldn’t win the job at OSU over a guy who just got cut midseason. Does that have frickall to do with how good he is?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104987 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:24 pm to
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5 of 7 in top 10 final rank

7 of 7 in top 25 final rank


These matter, are legitimate and are damned impressive

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7 of 7 in top 10 at the time



This is irrelevant
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19844 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:25 pm to
I really really wonder how this year goes with a full spring, no opt outs, and a full schedule
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19844 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:26 pm to
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This is irrelevant

I wouldn’t quite say that. Sure it’s not the most impressive but these are kids, the mentality to go in and beat 7 teams that were considered top 10 at the time can’t be understated IMO
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
20293 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:27 pm to
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no opt outs
This isn't going away, CV19 or no. Its a new norm for high end talent once they get enough on tape.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19844 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:27 pm to
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Burrow literally transferred because he couldn’t win the job at OSU over a guy who just got cut midseason. Does that have frickall to do with how good he is?

He had a hurt hand. You don’t like doing research much do you?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
104987 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:27 pm to
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I really really wonder how this year goes with a full spring, no opt outs, and a full schedule



Well, here is the PFF Too-Early 2020 Top 10

1. Clemson (made CFP)
2. Ohio State (made CFP)
3. Alabama (made CFP)
4. LSU (5-5)
5. Georgia (NY6)
6. Florida (NY6)
7. Oklahoma (NY6)
8. Notre Dame (made CFP)


Outside of LSU everyone else basically did exactly what was expected of them pre-COVID
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted by BlackCloud
Above It All
Member since Jan 2014
3961 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:29 pm to
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They are raw stats that only dumb people consider legit.

Of course they are raw, and when I made the thread on New Years Eve I knew inbred idiots like you would lose your mind over it.

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So you truly believe Kentucky is the best SEC passing defense, and that no other SEC team has a passing defense in the top50?
I really believe you are just acting stupid. I hope so anyway.

I will ask you, all stats aside, are these SEC pass defenses not the worst you have ever seen across the board? YES or NO?

I have already said (it seems like a hundred times) that the teams in the top 50 don't mean they are better or more talented.

Those raw numbers against conference only shows that it's hard to argue that these SEC pass defenses aren't the worst we have ever seen.

If you look at it yourself and play around with the stats you will find that the SEC always has 5 or more teams in the top 50 in passing defense if you do conference only.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 4:38 pm
Posted by topcat88
Member since Nov 2015
4348 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:29 pm to
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You don't understand the PFF do you?


You do realize PFF has been highly criticized in the Analytics community. Only reason they are taken seriously is because Collinsworth is a part owner and it gets featured on NBC.
Posted by SmokeTide
Gulf Coast Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
5315 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:30 pm to
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Well, here is the PFF Too-Early 2020 Top 10

1. Clemson (made CFP)
2. Ohio State (made CFP)
3. Alabama (made CFP)
4. LSU (5-5)
5. Georgia (NY6)
6. Florida (NY6)
7. Oklahoma (NY6)
8. Notre Dame (made CFP)



That's what kill their argument is most of LSU competitors pretty much held serve.
Posted by Sid E Walker
InsecureU ©
Member since Nov 2013
24451 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:32 pm to
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It really is funny how much the Burrow and the 2019 LSU Tigers broke y’all.

You guys were 5-5, lost to tGOAT team in TS by 38, and sat your asses home during bowl season. We’re going to the NCG while beating the shite out of everybody, and you think we’re broke?

You are quite retarded.
Posted by lsubuddy
houma, la
Member since Jul 2014
4767 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:33 pm to
Great season -for sure. But, a pandemic year that messed up so many teams, didn't play ANY defense in top 50.

Lsu having the best season ever is eating everyone alive trying to 1 up it ... just can't take it !

Great season! Congrats
Posted by Crimson K
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2018
5813 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:33 pm to
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This just isn’t supported based on results against top offenses


We gave up over 30 points to a Bo Nix led Auburn in 2019. UF and OM both torched us this year, but otherwise the D played well; not great, but OK. I get that you don’t see it because you don’t want to. But when you just pick games against “top offenses” to judge, you are predetermining an outcome.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19844 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:33 pm to
Well A&M did a lot better. Florida won’t be top 10

But preseason rankings vs finishing rankings is entirely different vs how those things could have affected individual games

Specifically the chemistry that is usually built in the off-season, lack of early cupcake games to smooth out issues.

I think it’s undeniable to say the way the season played out with no offseason heavily favored experienced teams like Alabama, A&M, and Florida over young teams like LSU
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted by topcat88
Member since Nov 2015
4348 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:33 pm to
Goat team in a half arse season. Playing a 7-0 team in the national championship. Lmao
Posted by TigerHemi
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
622 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:34 pm to
Covid season, doesn’t count.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
19844 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:35 pm to
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We gave up over 30 points to a Bo Nix led Auburn in 2019

I thought LSU fans and Bama fans alike agreed this game was an anomaly and Alabama didnt even play their team
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