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re: AL: "After watching him thrown, I can’t believe Franklin let him leave Happy Valley."
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:15 pm to 167back
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:15 pm to 167back
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167back
Evidently you are just a troll. He listed them and you stated none had played a down. That's Wrong. Peters is the #3 saftey in the nation coming out of Juco. Brian Cole, Landrews, and Morgan all played in every game last year.
In fact, I don't see a Safety that was not a top 5.
As to the DL:
Fletcher Adams, Rivers, Spencer, Jones... All 4 star with a ton of experience. Spencer was to be a starter and draft pick last year. Played 12 games as a True Fr, played 13 as a So. He missed the last 9 games and had surgery for an upper body injury.
They added a transfer to sure up that line too. They also have Freshman BEAST in Pickering... they won't keep that kid off the field. He is another Chris Jones for them.
Their LBs are sick!
Anybody that has watched recruiting and this defense over the past 5 years knows that Defense is not depleted at all.
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It helps the corners GREATLY when they have a fierce pass rush generated by the Dline. Where will that pressure come from this year?
Sweet Jesus.... First, not all pressure comes from the DL. That's a little naive. Second, from the same guys that were doing it last year. Yes some went pro. But that defense was very deep and rotated often with no drop off.
That's a very seasoned group. All Juniors and Seniors.
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Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:28 pm to REBSontheRISE
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Man, you will have the best receiving Corp you have ever had
dafuk?
- Payton #3 Juco added this season
- Zuber nobody would suggest he is not a great WR.
- Guidry led the team in yards
- Jackson was an Elite top 5 WR in the nation out of HS. Played well last year.. was in the dog house some it seems.
- Williams
- Mitchell
- Green
I know MSU has not really had a ton of talent at that position, maybe the bar is low... But that is indeed the best group they have had
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:34 pm to Jjdoc
In to just say frick James Franklin
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:48 pm to 167back
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I think state fans are GREATLY underestimating the effect that GREAT pass rush last year had on their pass defense numbers.
That's the most ignorant statement I have read on here.
The pass rush does not always come from the DL. For example, Gay had 6 sacks from the LB position out of their 39.
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OK numbers returning but, doubt they will turn out to be one of the best secondaries in the SEC.
They had a total of 13 ints last year. Everybody returns except for 1 that accounted for those ints.
Abrams had 2. That means out of the 13 they had, they return the men that got 11 of those ints.
So let's move back to pass rushing.
Of 39 sacks they had... Sweatz had 11. Abrams 3. Simmons 2. Green 3. That's a total of 19. They return all of the others.
They had 103 TFL... Less than half of those were by those that left.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:50 pm to 167back
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how often have you seen two Dlinemen in top five of team in tackles?
That's did not happen at MS St last year.
The top 2 was a Safety and a LB
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:53 pm to ColoradoAg
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I can't name a single DB that plays for MSU. That would be like me claiming A&M has the best secondary - a stupid claim.
Yet they stomped your arse. They did not allow a single TD last year and lost 1 piece of that puzzle.
Dantzler is a Preseason all American.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:28 pm to El Mattadorr
rotated on Dline every series. I take it then that subs played almost as many snaps as starters.
all those subs should have put up legit numbers then?
this is what state lost on starting Dline
170 tkls - 18 sks - 22 tfl
sweat had 11.5 sks - nobody else had half that number
simmons had 15 tfl - nobody else had half that number
who's going to pick up the slack in '19?
returning numbers along Dline
77 tkls - 3.5 sks - 13.5 tfl
Who are the future 1st round picks off the two deep? If you are expecting freshmen to step in and make a major impact then state is in big trouble along Dline.
all those subs should have put up legit numbers then?
this is what state lost on starting Dline
170 tkls - 18 sks - 22 tfl
sweat had 11.5 sks - nobody else had half that number
simmons had 15 tfl - nobody else had half that number
who's going to pick up the slack in '19?
returning numbers along Dline
77 tkls - 3.5 sks - 13.5 tfl
Who are the future 1st round picks off the two deep? If you are expecting freshmen to step in and make a major impact then state is in big trouble along Dline.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:39 pm to Jjdoc
I went last Saturday to Thibodaux and saw him throw with the rest of the QBs. He looked ok. Eli without a doubt looked the best but keep in mind they're throwing vs Air and not a defense. If you go by this logic, you would think the Giants are going 16-0. Ha ha ha ha
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:05 pm to 167back
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Who are the future 1st round picks off the two deep? If you are expecting freshmen to step in and make a major impact then state is in big trouble along Dline.
They have a projected "10". Of that 10, 8 of the expected to be drafted are from that defense. 2 leaving early.
But here is a list for you:
Noseguard/defensive tackle Lee Autry
Nickel Brian Cole
Cornerback Cameron Dantzler (early leave)
Linebacker Willie Gay
Safety Jaquarius Landrews
Defensive end Chauncey Rivers
Cornerback Maurice Smitherman
Linebacker Erroll Thompson
Of those, who will go round one? Who knows. Dak didn't go round one... and he turned out to be pretty damn good.
The fact is they have NFL talent on that defense. Like it or not.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:13 pm to Jjdoc
Get your head in the game. OK.
My post about players not playing a down for state last year was about four specific players that a state fan listed.
fred peters - juco signee in '19. Now you tell me how many snaps did he play for state last year?
jarrion jones and nathan pickering - '19 class signees. how much PT did they get in starkvegas last year?
jaylon reed - rfr - now he might have played in four or less games and redshirted. found no stats on him.
If you're going to bitch about something at least know what you're bitching about.
Those three safeties were all 3*s coming out of JUCO and not all three of them were top 5 safeties.
Those four Dlinemen you mentioned are one of the reasons why state's Dline was so good. experienced quality backups. where will that aspect of the Dline come from in '19?
those four Dlinemen might be good but, I highly doubt one much less two will be a first round pick.
Not all pressure comes from Dline. Correct but numbers don't lie. State's starting Dline accounted for 18 sacks and 22 tfls
Sweat had 11.5 sacks and simmons had 15 tfls. That's some serious pressure in the backfield just from those two.
Dline starters in '18 - 170 tkls - 18 sks - 22 tfl
Dline subs in '18 - 77 tkls - 3.5 sks - 13.5 tfl
Plain as day there was no drop off in production when the starters were on the sideline
football in general and SEC in particular to win the game you need to win the LOS.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:19 pm to Jjdoc
I am going to type this as SLLLOOOOWWWWWW as I can so you can keep up. OK
How often do you see two Dlinemen in the "TOP FIVE" of team in tackles.
You know. Like two of the top five players on the team for total tackles were Dlinemen.
How often do you see two Dlinemen in the "TOP FIVE" of team in tackles.
You know. Like two of the top five players on the team for total tackles were Dlinemen.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:31 pm to Jjdoc
Hey YON come on now. You just want to argue so much you just go off on a rant about something that doesn't even pertain to what you're replying to.
My WHOLE post that you replied to was STRICTLY about state's DLINE. Didn't mention another position group or a single player from another position group.
I'll ask again. Who on the '19 Dline two deep will play like a first rounder on the state '19 team?
Of all the players you listed in your tirade there are all of two Dlinemen and neither will sniff first round and probably not second either.
My WHOLE post that you replied to was STRICTLY about state's DLINE. Didn't mention another position group or a single player from another position group.
I'll ask again. Who on the '19 Dline two deep will play like a first rounder on the state '19 team?
Of all the players you listed in your tirade there are all of two Dlinemen and neither will sniff first round and probably not second either.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 1:36 am to 167back
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. You have admitted that you don't know what you're talking about, asked for help understanding because you admit you don't know the roster, and then try to argue with people who actually know the roster. Stop reading a stat sheet and listen to someone who actually watches the team play every single week and knows the roster. Jamal Peters platooned with Smitherman a lot. Smitherman played better in coverage than Peters and that showed on advanced statistics. Using tackles as a stat to compare defensive backs is retarded.
Cole was injured after 4 games or would have started the entire year, like I said.
Landrews showed absolutely no dropoff and was injured after his 3 starts or he would have had an excellent year. He nearly singlehandedly beat Texas A&M with his defensive performance.
Murphy was a true freshman and played in 12 games on the best defense in the country. That should tell you about his talent level.
Morgan is the least talented guy on this list and got 3 starts last year. He won't start this year because very talented newcomers have overtaken him but will provide solid depth again.
You doubt that they will turn out to be one of the best secondaries in the SEC because of the name on their helmet. Their performance last year and the amount of experience returning off of one of the best secondaries in the country should be enough but because of the name on the helmet they gotta be worse than X/Y/Z.
I think you are GREATLY underestimating how much depth was on that defensive line last year. We were awesome on the DL last year because we had 3 rotations of NFL caliber players that played a lot of snaps.
Marquis Spencer was a starter and didn't play last year due to injury. He was starting over Gerri Green, who was just drafted by the Colts. Chauncey Rivers played a ton of reps at DE last year and is a projected 2nd -3rd round draft pick by scouts. Fletcher Adams and Kobe Jones both played a ton of snaps at DE last year and will be NFL draft picks. The pass rush is going to be fine. It's not going to be what it was last year because that was the best defense in the country. It is still going to be really good. The only hole on the entire defense is at defensive tackle, and that position will consist of a bunch of 4 star redshirt freshmen, a true freshman that was a top 70 prospect in the country, and 2 seniors that will draw the start (1 played a lot and one has not played a lot in his career). Some guys will have to step up there but the talent is there to be serviceable at minimum.
Cole was injured after 4 games or would have started the entire year, like I said.
Landrews showed absolutely no dropoff and was injured after his 3 starts or he would have had an excellent year. He nearly singlehandedly beat Texas A&M with his defensive performance.
Murphy was a true freshman and played in 12 games on the best defense in the country. That should tell you about his talent level.
Morgan is the least talented guy on this list and got 3 starts last year. He won't start this year because very talented newcomers have overtaken him but will provide solid depth again.
You doubt that they will turn out to be one of the best secondaries in the SEC because of the name on their helmet. Their performance last year and the amount of experience returning off of one of the best secondaries in the country should be enough but because of the name on the helmet they gotta be worse than X/Y/Z.
I think you are GREATLY underestimating how much depth was on that defensive line last year. We were awesome on the DL last year because we had 3 rotations of NFL caliber players that played a lot of snaps.
Marquis Spencer was a starter and didn't play last year due to injury. He was starting over Gerri Green, who was just drafted by the Colts. Chauncey Rivers played a ton of reps at DE last year and is a projected 2nd -3rd round draft pick by scouts. Fletcher Adams and Kobe Jones both played a ton of snaps at DE last year and will be NFL draft picks. The pass rush is going to be fine. It's not going to be what it was last year because that was the best defense in the country. It is still going to be really good. The only hole on the entire defense is at defensive tackle, and that position will consist of a bunch of 4 star redshirt freshmen, a true freshman that was a top 70 prospect in the country, and 2 seniors that will draw the start (1 played a lot and one has not played a lot in his career). Some guys will have to step up there but the talent is there to be serviceable at minimum.
This post was edited on 7/4/19 at 3:37 am
Posted on 7/4/19 at 9:29 am to 167back
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Get your head in the game. OK.
My post about players not playing a down for state last year was about four specific players that a state fan listed.
You mean the depth pieces?
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fred peters - juco signee in '19. Now you tell me how many snaps did he play for state last year?
Depth piece not starter
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jarrion jones and nathan pickering - '19 class signees. how much PT did they get in starkvegas last year?
Depth pieces.
Pickering will get minutes. He is their next Chris Jones.. He is a beast.
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jaylon reed - rfr - now he might have played in four or less games and redshirted. found no stats on him.
Nothing to do with the starters sir.
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If you're going to bitch about something at least know what you're bitching about.
It would seem it is YOU that has no understanding of you are trying to sell.
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Those three safeties were all 3*s coming out of JUCO and not all three of them were top 5 safeties.
Again... One person from the Backfield is gone. And Sir, Abrams was a 3 star out of JUCO and was drafted first round.
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Those four Dlinemen you mentioned are one of the reasons why state's Dline was so good. experienced quality backups. where will that aspect of the Dline come from in '19?
I have already told you. It's not my fault you can't comprehend. That whole dline.. all Srs with 1 Jr.
The back ups will be 2 srs and one transfer...
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those four Dlinemen might be good but, I highly doubt one much less two will be a first round pick.
And ???
Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:26 am to The Winner
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He's the next Cam Newton baw.
He can’t be the next sCam kNewton, he doesn’t have a criminal record.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:29 am to Jjdoc
I quit trying to argue with him. Also don’t be shocked if Pickering is a first rounder when his career is done in Starkville. We feed the NFL great dlineman
Posted on 7/5/19 at 11:47 am to peepingcrxxms
Never asked for help. Asked a couple of questions. So, to state fans that means I need help and I don't know what I'm talking about?
Maybe it's you that need a little help with that roster.
Three rotations of NFL quality Dlinemen played a lot of snaps. So, that's 12 players correct at DE and DT? If that's the case why are your backup DTs a bunch of 4* RFr? Your words not mine. That means they were in the '18 recruiting class? Right? State signed four Dlinemen last year and three of them were 3*s.
How many games did spenser start last year? You said he was a starter over green. Your words not mine. He played in three. green started 13 games. Did state play a few games I'm not aware of? green also started every game in '17.
Maybe it's you that need a little help with that roster.
Three rotations of NFL quality Dlinemen played a lot of snaps. So, that's 12 players correct at DE and DT? If that's the case why are your backup DTs a bunch of 4* RFr? Your words not mine. That means they were in the '18 recruiting class? Right? State signed four Dlinemen last year and three of them were 3*s.
How many games did spenser start last year? You said he was a starter over green. Your words not mine. He played in three. green started 13 games. Did state play a few games I'm not aware of? green also started every game in '17.
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