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re: A&M wants it's $$$ or it's bolting for the SEC
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:35 am to Dr Drunkenstein
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:35 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Those 2 guys, and most Aggies I talk with, are convinced that they would relatively quickly become a power in the SEC.
Our entire conference with the exception of Vanderbilt and Tennessee, would hose the Ags by two touchdowns at least. They will never be able to compete with Bama, Florida, or LSU
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Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:37 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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we hardly wanna deal with texas, doubt we'd want TTU and BU as well
Based on what the politicians in Texas have said, if the SEC wants a presence in Texas, it will have to take all of those Texas schools.
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I agree. The fact that A&M didn't jump all over this chance to get out of Texas' shadow in the first place was preposterous. They had their chance, we don't need them.
Again......it is unfair to hold the Aggies accountable. They wanted to be in the SEC but were blocked by politicians who won't let the core group of Texas universities be split up.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:39 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Our entire conference with the exception of Vanderbilt and Tennessee, would hose the Ags by two touchdowns at least. They will never be able to compete with Bama, Florida, or LSU
I agree. Aggies think that by being in the SEC, they will see a major upsurge in their recruiting which will eventually vault them to elite status. Aggies don't realize that it is their weird culture which keeps lots of top recruits away and that unless that culture changes, they will suffer in any conference.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:39 am to LSUROCKS52
I can't see the SEC taking on Baylor and TTU.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:40 am to Dr Drunkenstein
quote:What is the reasoning behind this? How is this a benefit to Texas to prevent one school from bettering it's situation? Is it political loyalty to UT?
Again......it is unfair to hold the Aggies accountable. They wanted to be in the SEC but were blocked by politicians who won't let the core group of Texas universities be split
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:41 am to Dr Drunkenstein
Not only that, but if I was a 5* recruit and I had offers from Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arkansas... and aTm? aTm would be out of that list, and fast.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:41 am to tiger perry
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I can't see the SEC taking on Baylor and TTU.
TTU is a solid football program but Baylor is the tough pill to swallow. Still, to have the Houston, Dallas and Austin TV markets handed to you on a silver platter.....the $ is too much for the SEC to walk away from......
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:46 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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What is the reasoning behind this? How is this a benefit to Texas to prevent one school from bettering it's situation? Is it political loyalty to UT?
There are politicians with Texas Tech and Baylor connections who know that if the Big 12 implodes, Tech and Baylor run the risk of being marginalized and demoted to a non-BCS conference. They will not let this happen. Throw in all of the good old boy politicians with A&M and Texas ties who don't want to see a 116 year rivalry come to an end on their watch and it makes it even more difficult. This isn't some BS conjecture, this is what just happened to save the Big 12-2. This is why, when a public records request made public emails between the President of Texas and the President of Ohio State, the Texas president said Texas would be interested in the Big 10 in theory but really couldn't consider an offer because of its "Tech Problem".
Posted on 7/29/10 at 8:53 am to Dr Drunkenstein
State legislatures are absolute scum. Even worse than the federal level.
The SEC might take Baylor and TTU to get UT and aTm, but I think a lot of the other SEC schools would begin to rightfully fear that the State of Texas would then have too much power within the SEC and bring all their drama with them.
UT might agree initially to have equal revenue, but then what happens 5 years later once the SEC becomes dependent on Texas money? They start demanding more money and threaten to pull out if they don't get it blah blah blah.
I think Oklahoma and aTm to the SEC is more of a possibility than the 4 Texas schools and Oklahoma left to dry.
The SEC might take Baylor and TTU to get UT and aTm, but I think a lot of the other SEC schools would begin to rightfully fear that the State of Texas would then have too much power within the SEC and bring all their drama with them.
UT might agree initially to have equal revenue, but then what happens 5 years later once the SEC becomes dependent on Texas money? They start demanding more money and threaten to pull out if they don't get it blah blah blah.
I think Oklahoma and aTm to the SEC is more of a possibility than the 4 Texas schools and Oklahoma left to dry.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:03 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Based on what the politicians in Texas have said, if the SEC wants a presence in Texas, it will have to take all of those Texas schools.
No chance. If the Big 12 splits up for good, the SEC is in the power seat, not these 4 schools from Texas. We can extend an invitation to 1 or all of the schools - and if the Texas legislature won't let the schools split up, then they can enjoy watching the Big 4 Conference play each other.
The SEC won't be strong-armed in this situation, and I don't see any chance of us adding all 4 of y'all. There are too many other big money schools on the East coast that would do us much more good than TTU or Baylor.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:04 am to Monticello
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UT might agree initially to have equal revenue, but then what happens 5 years later once the SEC becomes dependent on Texas money?
A lot of the "Texas is power hungry" smack that came from the last round of conference expansion mayhem is just crap. Things like the conference HQ moving to Texas and the Conference Championship game being moved to Cowboys Stadium weren't power plays by Texas, they were the result of 11-1 conference votes (with only Nebraska dissenting) because Big 12 schools wanted as much of a presence as possible in Texas to help their recruiting. The Big 12 didn't have a "Texas Power" problem, it had a Nebraska problem. As for the method of revenue sharing in the Big 12 which rewards teams for playing more games on national TV, that was a 12-0 vote!
Texas wants its fair share of $. That is it. Last year, every Big 10 school made double what Texas made in TV revenue. Indiana made twice as much in TV revenue as Texas....just think about that.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:06 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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No chance. If the Big 12 splits up for good, the SEC is in the power seat, not these 4 schools from Texas. We can extend an invitation to 1 or all of the schools - and if the Texas legislature won't let the schools split up, then they can enjoy watching the Big 4 Conference play each other. The SEC won't be strong-armed in this situation, and I don't see any chance of us adding all 4 of y'all. There are too many other big money schools on the East coast that would do us much more good than TTU or Baylor.
You may be right, but the Texas politicians won't budge.
I disagree with you on one thing.......getting the Houston, Dallas, Austin & San Antonio TV markets is a better financial deal than the SEC will find anywhere else.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:10 am to Dr Drunkenstein
I think the legislature will hold firm for a while, but if the Big 12 breaks up, they will honestly have no other choice. Unless they want to start a new Big 12 will all Iowa St.-caliber programs.
And yeah, all those Texas markets would be cool, but once you have a couple of those markets, the incremental benefit of the others isn't all that great. From the SEC's standpoint, it'd be much better financially to get into 1 or 2 of those Texas markets you mentioned, and then try grabbing Miami and Atlanta.
And yeah, all those Texas markets would be cool, but once you have a couple of those markets, the incremental benefit of the others isn't all that great. From the SEC's standpoint, it'd be much better financially to get into 1 or 2 of those Texas markets you mentioned, and then try grabbing Miami and Atlanta.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:21 am to NaturalBeam
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From the SEC's standpoint, it'd be much better financially to get into 1 or 2 of those Texas markets you mentioned, and then try grabbing Miami and Atlanta.
The SEC already has a big cut of Atlanta & Miami because of UF fans in South Florida and UGA fans in Atlanta.....at least, this is how the networks view things. The Texas markets are all gravy.
Again, in terms of the ideal scenario, you are right, adding just Texas & A&m would be ideal for the SEC but the Texas legislature won't let them happen, even if that means keeping both schools in a crappier situation. This isn't my theory....this is what just happened. If they could go solo, Texas would be in the Big 10 and A&M in the SEC but the politicians forced them in to the Big12-2 shite pile.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:26 am to Dr Drunkenstein
I are an Aggie and I mostly agree with Dr Drunkenstein's comments on this thread. I also think there was significant pressure from TV, NCAA, and other institutions to stave off major realignment.
Saw someone link to the free football board on TexAgs. Take anything you read over there with a large grain of salt. Their maroon colored glasses lead them to believe that Texas A&M stands on its own - independent of state politics and outside influence - and that our president scorned the SEC because he was mislead by Dan Beebe. It's far more complicated than that.
Saw someone link to the free football board on TexAgs. Take anything you read over there with a large grain of salt. Their maroon colored glasses lead them to believe that Texas A&M stands on its own - independent of state politics and outside influence - and that our president scorned the SEC because he was mislead by Dan Beebe. It's far more complicated than that.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:35 am to PowerTool
I can see a scenario where we'd take Texas, A&M, OU, and Oklahoma State.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:37 am to PowerTool
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Saw someone link to the free football board on TexAgs. Take anything you read over there with a large grain of salt. Their maroon colored glasses lead them to believe that Texas A&M stands on its own - independent of state politics and outside influence - and that our president scorned the SEC because he was mislead by Dan Beebe.
I am amazed that the guys on TexAgs just don't get it. The president of A&m isn't a stupid man, yet he took the Big 12-2's deal without any of the financial promises in writing. Why would a smart guy do this? Because his arm was twisted by politicians......he had no choice.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:38 am to tiger perry
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I can see a scenario where we'd take Texas, A&M, OU, and Oklahoma State.
It would make a lot of sense and would be a HUGE moneymaker for those 4 schools (and the SEC) and the Texas legislature will never let it happen.
Posted on 7/29/10 at 9:56 am to Uncle Stu
we should lead them on and then when they do leave the big 12 slam the door in their fricking faces
Posted on 7/29/10 at 10:00 am to heartbreakTiger
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