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re: 911 ALL SEC FANS UNITE HERE TO DISCUSS THE 4 TEAM PLAYOFF:

Posted on 11/2/13 at 10:32 pm to
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 11/2/13 at 10:32 pm to
You dirty bitch
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
15226 posts
Posted on 11/2/13 at 10:33 pm to
I understand business and law, but I'm an a-hole. Sorry.

Didn't you used to be somebody else?
Posted by Neuromancer
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/2/13 at 10:36 pm to
I lose my cool when Patton posts. Damn me.

For the rest of you - fricking reply to this post. Its a HUGE topic. Are there any posters with fricking brains on this entire site.

This is SEC topic about the FUTURE. Come on aholes out - brains in.

and Patton whenever.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/2/13 at 10:38 pm to
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come on assholes
kinky
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37250 posts
Posted on 11/2/13 at 10:40 pm to
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Man. I actually feel bad for you... all that time spent making the post when literally no one is going to read it


I don't feel bad for him even though no one will read it. That's the breaks sometimes.
Posted by Neuromancer
Member since Oct 2013
749 posts
Posted on 11/2/13 at 10:48 pm to
Dude I sitting here drinking, typing, playing guitar, and watching ball.

Save the Pity for your girlfriend during sex.
Posted by Neuromancer
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/3/13 at 12:05 pm to
Try this also with day crowd. Seems to be a topic today.
Posted by Neuromancer
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/1/13 at 5:11 pm to
This Auburn situation is a prime example of why I posted this thread. Most of you can't read anything that long. Unfortunately to make a valid point it takes some time. I am usually trying to express a valid point.

Sometimes I screw around it seems that is what people here like.

Anyway - if you skipped to here - go back and read.

This is exactly my worry. For an SEC team with one loss to never get over a 0 loss team in crappy conferences. This could be bad.

Worse in the future. Real bad. During our 7 game streak we alway got lucky and had teams lose.

If that doesn't happen some years and we beat each other up. We could get only 1 a year. With 4 more that could pound the other 3.

WTF are the other teams that spent all that money on the program going to do when sitting at home?

Some shite bowl will not Satisfy a 1 loss Bama or LSU or Georgia while tOSU plays Stanford and OU.

Slive better fix this shite. He better start by getting Auburn or Mizzou in over tOSU. It just can't be Bama that gets SEC treatment - we all play here and payed a shitload.


Posted by TiptonInSC
Aiken, SC
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/1/13 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 12/1/13 at 5:43 pm to
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Didn't read past first sentence. Your argument is still stupid and you suck.


I second this vote on all points.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36119 posts
Posted on 12/1/13 at 5:45 pm to
OP reads like a series of disjointed tweets with no thought or context

A four team playoff should probably only include one team from the SEC. Otherwise what the frick is the purpose of the regular season?
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/1/13 at 6:06 pm to
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I have been against a playoff my whole life. Im relatively old so I have debated it for 20 years in bars well before it was even close to reality. I said it wold ruin college football. Well not ruin. Make much worse.


Well you've been making a bad argument for 20 years.

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My argument is strong but long so I will spare you.


The length of this post determined that was a lie.

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But I will say that most people say - "Its the only sport with no playoff"


And for a while their were no championship games. The same people were talking about the SEC Championship Game the way you are now.

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I say - YES!!! and it is the BEST SPORT OF THEM ALL. This should be a hint.


It's the best sport of them all in spite of that. Correlation is not causation.

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So - I figure Mike Slive has an Ace up his sleave but I'm not seeing this one. Hopefully there are some guys - maybe you don't post much with some info.


What are you saying? That the REC/Birmingham Offices have a thinktank that constantly lurk the Rant?

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What the hell is the deal here. We are heading straight into something that will harm the SEC.


No we aren't.

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They are rarely going to put 2 SEC schools like we thought.


So what?

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That is BS.


No it isn't.

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They are going to take the ND, Baylor, Oregon (deserves it), Fla. St. (deserves it THIS YEAR).


Good. Part of your argument about the beauty of college football's regular season should make you happy with this. IF you lose a game that eliminates you from Atlanta, you're shite out of luck.

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But in future it will be same thing as always. These teams with no conference - maybe 1 big game like the UCLA game this year they hyped as the big win for Oregon.


Just because the SEC logo is on our jersey, it doesn't mean others can't play good football. You're delusional to think otherwise. Florida State has outrecruited every SEC the last 5 years outside of Bama. Conference gauntlet or not, they schedule one of the two most successful SEC programs anyway.

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Stanford's ranking is ABSURD.


Although in your insane stream of consciousness, when you add CAPS to something, you aren't really making your point any stronger. You're simplifying a straw man argument. So what if Stanford is ranked too high? There is increasing parity, and they still have lots of talent, a good system, and have won a lot of games recently.

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Bottom line. The 4 will be Big 12 winner who 6 teams in SEC would Pound, tOSU who SEC would pound, and SEC and either ACC or Pac 12.


So what? If the SEC flavor of the week that comes out victorious in Atlanta beats them, how is that any different than what happens now without a playoff? Oklahoma, Florida State, tu, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oregon... these are the teams the SEC has played in the BCS and walked away victorious from, right? It'e the exact same opponent wise in what you currently think is the perfect system. Your narrative contradicts itself. If the SEC would "pound" each of these opponents in one game, why not two?

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UT if Bama or LSU or Fla or whoever is our best team has 1 loss or god forbid 2 - we have problems.


No. We don't. The playoff has money at its root, and the SEC is a cash cow. It will have the same access to a natty relative to the other conferences is does now, and that's worked out perfectly fine.

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Here is where I am going with this.


Dear Lord, how are you now just getting to your point, you've already framed and reframed the same flawed premise twice.

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The NEW PLAYOFF will be HUGE.


Correct.

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Media, Twitter, TV, Fan Fare, HYPE


It is usually hyped. The least national interest came for LSU/Bama round 2. The more national players, the greatest all these things will be.

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If you are not in the 4 you are shite.


Cool?

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So it will empower the shite teams and conferences by exposure.


If it empowers them, all it will do is incite more local interest. It isn't going to make a local Houston kid care more about Minnesota or Washington State any more than they currently do. College football and passion is driven by winners, which the SEC will still be with the same, if not more frequency, and local cultures.

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Any system where 5 SEC teams would be favored over 2 of the teams is crap.


I don't know what you're saying, but that's already the case. Notre Dame was favored over 13 different SEC teams last year.

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The committee is crap.


Cool I guess? If it is too much of a frick up they can fix it, but a champion will still be crowned, people will still say they were champs, and they will just want more next year.

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Oliver Luck hiding out as West Virginia's AD and moved them to Big 12 is a Texas Law Grad and will be the Texas AD.


This turned out to be false.

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The panel will kill the SEC because they need more money from the rest of the Nation because numbers are down.


Stupid. The SEC fans matter as much, if not more, than every where else.

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I think Slive knows this.


I think Slive pushed for a playoff before the SEC had this streak, and didn't care if the SEC got multiple teams in or not. He simply knows our product is better, and that can be proven with one team.


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I do not like this shite.


Cool.

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I hate the playoff because it kills the Bowls.


Now the stream of consciousness has shifted. What Bowls does it kill exactly? The Meineke Car Care Bowl? The Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl? As it is, people just watch football at that point in the season, and there is nothing on the line. When it comes to the major "access bowls" it makes them more relative for "momentum" in to next year because instead of the Fiesta/Orange being some spare rent-bowl, it at least returns to the previous prestige of being relevant as a possible semi-final. And the Sugar Bowl will now gain the consistency of the Big 12/SEC matchup and will be Rose Bowl esque in relevance instead of Florida fans barely showing up against Louisville.

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That is No. 2. If you are not in the 4 and some jake leg team IS, how fired up are you to take a 10-1 LSU or GA team to the Chick fil - a


The exact same as Florida was to take on Louisville.


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Final four: Bama, Stanford, tOSU and Baylor


Again, so what? If the SEC team is the best, it will win, just like it is now.

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That shite is coming.


Good. At least now it is less likely and almost impossible for a one loss SEC Champ or even an undefeated SEC Champ to be frozen out.

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What will the SEC teams that are awsome do when left out.


Do exactly what they do now.

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Any bowl would feel like NIT - except that you would be favored.


How is that any different than now?

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It will ruin the bowl system and harm college football.


This is just so stupid.

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That is why I also say the SEC Champ is the Natty Champ - especially starting next year - that should be how we market.


What does this even mean? "Market" it. If the SEC Champ beats teams, it will be crowned the CFP Champ, and we won't have to put up billboards or pass out fliers.
Posted by Neuromancer
Member since Oct 2013
749 posts
Posted on 12/1/13 at 6:11 pm to
Really? That is your answer. That is the worst post I have ever read.

It is technically to find best teams.

For example: This year SEC has Bama and Auburn. Both with 1 loss.



You get an undefeated Baylor and Oregon - Both which would be dog stomped by say 4 sec teams.

Baylor and Oregon go and tOSU whose big win is over Wisconsin.

Now if you add the Noles the SEC wll get zero. Even though the top few teams would be fovored over everyone but the Noles, which would be what? 2

The oregon problem and Big 12 problem is huge. Especially with a panel. That means a 10-1 Auburn may not go because Bama is in already and a 10-1 OU goes in ahead. Even though OU sucks.

Its a problem we have been lucky for 7 years to avoid. But now with the playoff - the other bowls will not have the same ring. You just be pissed. Why is Baylor in the FINAL FOUR and we would be 10 point favoriytes!
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/1/13 at 6:18 pm to
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You get an undefeated Baylor and Oregon - Both which would be dog stomped by say 4 sec teams.


Neither baylor nor oregon are undefeated.

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Now if you add the Noles the SEC wll get zero. Even though the top few teams would be fovored over everyone but the Noles, which would be what? 2


So, same as it is now. Good teams get locked out of the BCS all the time.

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But now with the playoff - the other bowls will not have the same ring.


Few bowls have a "ring" NOW. This is irrelevant.

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Why is Baylor in the FINAL FOUR and we would be 10 point favoriytes!



We would not be 10 point favorites.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/1/13 at 6:18 pm to
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This Auburn situation is a prime example of why I posted this thread. Most of you can't read anything that long. Unfortunately to make a valid point it takes some time. I am usually trying to express a valid point.


This point was not valid, and built on many false premises and just flat out inaccuracies. So there's that.

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Sometimes I screw around it seems that is what people here like.


Sometimes you don't, and you just want some grand validation for your thought process, when the majority of them seem to be poorly thought out and the first thing that pops in to your head, even when the things that pop in to your head are flat our wrong.

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Anyway - if you skipped to here - go back and read.


I did.

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This is exactly my worry. For an SEC team with one loss to never get over a 0 loss team in crappy conferences. This could be bad.


Well this "concern" was not expressed at all other than some fear of an Illuminati type decision to keep multiple teams out, not be frozen out completely. If the CFB was this year, the winner of Mizzou/Auburn would not be kept out.

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Worse in the future.


No.

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Real bad.


Nope.

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During our 7 game streak we alway got lucky and had teams lose.


Correct, but we've always had multiple schools waiting in the wings when one of us has faltered. There are more good programs consistently in the top 12/top 25 in this league than any other.

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If that doesn't happen some years and we beat each other up.


So what.

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We could get only 1 a year.


So. fricking. What. Why would a team that can't even win it's own division need a spot in the CFB every year? That's stupid. Alabama's lost killed it's national title hopes, and if we are letting multiple teams in, that might not be the case. Stupid.

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With 4 more that could pound the other 3.


So what? Why should being the 4th best SEC team get you shite?

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WTF are the other teams that spent all that money on the program going to do when sitting at home?


Same shite they do now.

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Some shite bowl will not Satisfy a 1 loss Bama or LSU or Georgia while tOSU plays Stanford and OU.


So Bama deserves a chance to go 1-1 against Auburn in a playoff and claim a natty? Why are you trying to diminish the value of the divisional race? That's moronic. If you aren't good enough to win your division, what does it matter if you are better than the B1G Champ? You weren't good enough to win the SEC.

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Slive better fix this shite.


So you propose he just what? Picks the 4 best SEC teams at the end of the year and has another mini-playoff?

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He better start by getting Auburn or Mizzou in over tOSU.


In the new playoff, the SEC Champ won't be frozen out. Absolutely no part of what you're saying makes any sense.

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It just can't be Bama that gets SEC treatment - we all play here and payed a shitload.


What the frick are you talking about? Holy shite.
Posted by pivey14
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 12/1/13 at 6:24 pm to
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3. THE SUBJECT OR POST IS IN ALL CAPS. These are immediately anchored or deleted All caps are hard to read and comes across as shouting.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/1/13 at 6:26 pm to
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Really? That is your answer. That is the worst post I have ever read.


Your posts in this thread are far worse.

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The oregon problem and Big 12 problem is huge. Especially with a panel. That means a 10-1 Auburn may not go because Bama is in already and a 10-1 OU goes in ahead. Even though OU sucks.


Why is the SEC getting 2 teams in suddenly make or break for us? It makes absolutely no sense. The SEC streak went 7 years, with 9 of the 15 BCS trophies with only one time getting two teams in, and even if two teams didn't get in that year, the streak would have continued. I don't get how you go from the SEC just beating every one on the field to suddenly needing to meet itself in the final.

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Its a problem we have been lucky for 7 years to avoid. But now with the playoff - the other bowls will not have the same ring. You just be pissed. Why is Baylor in the FINAL FOUR and we would be 10 point favoriytes!


Because they are. What Vegas says about how they stack up against a 4 loss team doesn't diminish the SEC's chance of their champion beating those teams when given a opportunity. Why you suddenly think anyone other than an SEC Champ should even have a chance to be crowned a national champ, I think is stupid, but if you are going about wanting to market that "the SEC Champ is the actual national Champ" it makes even LESS sense. None.

I can't tell if you're just deranged, or you just grew up your whole life as that person that starts to argue and everyone is just so beaten down by the stupidity they just grin and bear it to you feel like you've changed the world with your brilliance.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36119 posts
Posted on 12/1/13 at 6:51 pm to
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For example: This year SEC has Bama and Auburn. Both with 1 loss.

You get an undefeated Baylor and Oregon



Here's the problem. You obviously have no awareness of any football outside of your specific region of interest.

Baylor has a loss already. Oregon has more than one loss.

A four team playoff where a SEC champ gets a bid is a perfectly good solution because it lets the teams who deserve it get a chance. This year for example the top four conference champs will likely be:

tOSU/MSU winner - legit
Auburn/MU winner - legit
FSU if they roll Duke as expected - legit
Oklahoma State if they beat OU - legit

That's really a pretty awesome scenario. The end of the season is supposed to be a bit of a playoff anyway and it looks like that's what we'd see if this year was the first year of a four team playoff.
Posted by Neuromancer
Member since Oct 2013
749 posts
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:14 pm to
Has the last horse crossed the finish line yet?

Posted by The Calvin
Member since Jun 2013
5240 posts
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:16 pm to
that's too long man, ain't nobody got an attention span like dat
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