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re: 7 SEC players projected as 1st rounders in 2013 NFL Draft
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:14 pm to sugatowng
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:14 pm to sugatowng
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This is just another dumb post...Its obvious that Latt was/is the only player in the backfield.
This just a dumb post. Look I can do it too. There is almost substance in that response.
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You mentioned taking out RB in blowouts...not me broseph
Actually you brought up taking RBs out during blowouts not me, you bringing up Columbia was just an attempt at talking shite. Again almost some substance there, almost.
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Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:14 pm to TheCheshireHog
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I feel embarrassed for SC fans for actually believing that Lattimore is better that Davis. It's like they are brand new to football.
You should be more perplexed about Christine Michael being ranked ahead of Knile Davis than Lattimore being ranked so highly. Lattimore's an absolute stud when he's healthy.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:17 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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You should be more perplexed about Christine Michael being ranked ahead of Knile Davis than Lattimore being ranked so highly. Lattimore's an absolute stud when he's healthy.
I was being sarcastic.
I think people will be hesitant with Knile until he actually plays this year. He is a much better back than Michael imo but over the course of his three year college career he has really only been 100% for 7 games. That would definitely make me leery of drafting him in the first round until I saw him perform this season.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:18 pm to theGarnetWay
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The fact that you use wording such as "nearly as many" to help support your Davis > Lattimore argument shows that the bias. If Davis' combined 14 TDs are 'nearly as many' as Lattimore's 19 than I guess I could say that Lattimore's 4.8 ypc are nearly as much as Davis' 6.5
Not to mention Lattimore really shines over Davis as a receiver, where Lattimore averaged 14.2 ypc in 2010 and Davis had nearly as many with 7.2
And of course Davis had more yards than Lattimore in 2010, Lattimore got hurt early in the 1st QT vs FSU in that bowl game and didn't play in the 2nd half of the UK or Arky games. Hell probably would have made up for almost all of that vs UK. Before he went out with injury he already had 3 TDs in the 1st half.
Face it, you think Davis > Lattimore because Davis has "ARKANSAS" across his chest. Just like Gamecock fans are bias for Lattimore, which is exactly why outside opinion on the 2 does matter.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
TDs play a part, but they aren't the end-all. I also consider ypc and overall yardage, and actually put overall rush yardage at the top of things I look for. A lot of those TDs were <5 yards from the endzone, so it doesn't bother me all that much that Lattimore had more (remember Tebow? This is one of the reasons his stats were so gaudy). If you watched our games, a lot of our goal line situations resulted in TDs from passes. I can't fault Knile just because Petrino opted to pass more often near the endzone. Davis moved the ball better than Lattimore, which is something I heavily consider. In 2010, he had more plays go for 10+ yard, 20+ yards, and also had the overall longest run (all this being done with 45 less attempts).
Basically, the only thing Lattimore had on Davis was total TDs, with many coming from goal line situations. Knile was better in just about every other category and against better competition. Simple as that.
Oh, and I love your hypothetical about IF he would have played more in the UK/Arky games. Despite this, he still had nearly 50 more total carries than Knile. Using that logic, lets say that Knile had equaled the total number of carries as Lattimore...that means he would have had approximately 20% more TDs and 20% more total yards, meaning he would have 17 TDs and nearly 1600 yards. Lattimore had 4 more attemps in the Florida game alone than if you combined the first 6 games for Knile in 2010. LOL at you playing the "what if" card.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:22 pm to theGarnetWay
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:24 pm to bona fide
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Will be more than that.
Exactly. The OP posted 7 like that was off the charts or something. That would be a dropoff from this past draft
Walter Football, one of the more popular mock drafts, has an amazing 14 SEC players projected as 1st rounders in the 2013 NFL Draft:
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Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:27 pm to bpfergu
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A lot of those TDs were <5 yards from the endzone
Yeah and also negatively affected Lattimores ypc.
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, he had more plays go for 10+ yard, 20+ yards
Ok but this has a lot more factors than just Davis and Lattimore. Arky had a better Oline and a passing game. Both things that can significantly aid anyone.
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Knile was better in just about every other category and against better competition
He was better in ypg, ypc, and total yards. Lattimore had more TDs and was a better receiver. And has been argued from both sides both Lattimore and Davis are products of their offense and are hardly used the same manner. And because I'm getting off here I'm concluding with that neutral statement.
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sugatowng
Very. I'm studying for a final in the middle of a week working about 6 shifts in 7 days for 2 minimum wage jobs so I'm easily agitated at the moment.
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Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:31 pm to theGarnetWay
No way Lattimore goes that high.
I think in order to be considered for the top 10 you have to at least outrush the other running backs in your own league.. something he's never done.
Also, in my opinion, even if Knile Davis leads all SEC running backs in rushing for the 2nd time he's still no better than a third rounder with his injury history. I think he's probably the best back in the SEC but his draft position won't be good.
I think in order to be considered for the top 10 you have to at least outrush the other running backs in your own league.. something he's never done.
Also, in my opinion, even if Knile Davis leads all SEC running backs in rushing for the 2nd time he's still no better than a third rounder with his injury history. I think he's probably the best back in the SEC but his draft position won't be good.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 3:32 pm to theGarnetWay
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Very. I'm studying for a final in the middle of a week working about 6 shifts in 7 days for 2 minimum wage jobs so I'm easily agitated at the moment.
good luck
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:08 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
A lot of lists have Barrett Jones, DJ Fluker, CJ Mosley, and Dee Milliner.
This is one example.
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This is one example.
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Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:14 pm to bpfergu
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Yeah, while he was healthy he had better numbers against better defenses. Pretty crazy conclusion, huh?
Charles Scott led the SEC in rushing too!
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:19 pm to sugatowng
When people post about how good a RB Lattimore is, and make comparisons with Richardson or Davis, I'd like to see what kind of OL those backs were running behind.
USC in 2010 and 2011 were dealing with very poor depth at the OL position due to poor recruiting during the '07, '08, and '09 cycles. In 2010, we only had a true two-deep of 7 OL.
Last season we improved in terms of actual talented bodies, but played RS Fr. Cann all season, and after our 3rd game of the season when we lost Nunn vs. Navy, we platooned RS Fr. Gibson and true Fr. Matulis at OT.
This season we will have RS So. Cann, true Jr. Patrick (who lost his RS in '10 when we had to put him in for C Johnson vs Arky), then add RS Fr. Shell to RS So Gibson and true So Matulis at the OT spots, all joining Sr. OC Johnson.
Our talent is getting much better, and the sheer numbers we'll have to work with is also improving (we'll have 9-11 to work with, depending on which incoming freshmen OL will play or get RS-ed). But we had very little to play for us the past 2 seasons, and while they did the job, there weren't much of a "Plan B" after them if they didn't. I understood the past 2 seasons Arky's OL was supposed be pretty experienced, and we all know how Bama builds their OL...
USC in 2010 and 2011 were dealing with very poor depth at the OL position due to poor recruiting during the '07, '08, and '09 cycles. In 2010, we only had a true two-deep of 7 OL.
Last season we improved in terms of actual talented bodies, but played RS Fr. Cann all season, and after our 3rd game of the season when we lost Nunn vs. Navy, we platooned RS Fr. Gibson and true Fr. Matulis at OT.
This season we will have RS So. Cann, true Jr. Patrick (who lost his RS in '10 when we had to put him in for C Johnson vs Arky), then add RS Fr. Shell to RS So Gibson and true So Matulis at the OT spots, all joining Sr. OC Johnson.
Our talent is getting much better, and the sheer numbers we'll have to work with is also improving (we'll have 9-11 to work with, depending on which incoming freshmen OL will play or get RS-ed). But we had very little to play for us the past 2 seasons, and while they did the job, there weren't much of a "Plan B" after them if they didn't. I understood the past 2 seasons Arky's OL was supposed be pretty experienced, and we all know how Bama builds their OL...
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:29 pm to TheCheshireHog
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I feel embarrassed for SC fans for actually believing that Lattimore is better that Davis. It's like they are brand new to football
No you are just stupid, Latt is miles ahead of Davis and it's not even close.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Charles Scott led the SEC in rushing too!
Charles Scott never led the SEC in rushing.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:30 pm to bpfergu
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against better competition.
Meh, not really.
Rushing defense average in games played
Arkansas: 41.33
USCe: 39.42
This post was edited on 4/30/12 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:31 pm to TigerBait2008
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No you are just stupid, Latt is miles ahead of Davis and it's not even close.
The obvious sarcasm was a little to complicated for you? And I'm the stupid one?
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:43 pm to ConwayGamecock
Also Davis trailed Lattimore the entire 2010 season in rushing yards...it was the bowl games where he finally passed Lattimore, who was injured very early in our game versus FSU and only had 1 carry.
The rushing defenses that opposed Arky and Davis were no better than the defenses that opposed Lattimore in 2010...if you set aside the USC-Arkansas game. The average ranking of rushing defenses that season for USC's opposition was actually lower. But USC had the #12 rushing defense in 2010, while Arkansas had the #71. We can't play against our own defense during the season....
The rushing defenses that opposed Arky and Davis were no better than the defenses that opposed Lattimore in 2010...if you set aside the USC-Arkansas game. The average ranking of rushing defenses that season for USC's opposition was actually lower. But USC had the #12 rushing defense in 2010, while Arkansas had the #71. We can't play against our own defense during the season....
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:49 pm to ConwayGamecock
You guys should just admit that even if you combine Knile Davis and Lattimore they wouldn't be as good or better than Trent Richardson.
Posted on 4/30/12 at 4:50 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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You guys should just admit that even if you combine Knile Davis and Lattimore they wouldn't be as good or better than Trent Richardson.
I had a chance to see him once when Bama came to Columbia, however I don't really remember Bama bringing their RBs that day?
Posted on 4/30/12 at 5:00 pm to theGarnetWay
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I had a chance to see him once when Bama came to Columbia, however I don't really remember Bama bringing their RBs that day?
As you've been stating about Lattimore's O-line, while we had talent, our 2010 O-Line played horrible sometimes.
Hell, take Vlachos off of the 2011 line, make Jones Center and put Cyrus at LT and Trent rushes for at least 1850 yards.
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