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Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Not especially. A total of 5 guys got drafted off that team in the 2020/2021 drafts and only 2 guys got drafted in the Top 3 rounds (Cam Akers and Asante Samuel). They had no QB and a miserable OL. They went to OT with ULM the next week.
My point being their players were leaps and bounds better than Boise St players.
in 2017 FSU had the #6 recruiting class.
in 2017 Boise had the #64 recruitng class
in 2018 FSU had the #11 recruiting class
in 2018 Boise had the #57 recruitning class.
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:00 pm to TheGusBus34
you get a down vote for facts 
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:01 pm to TheGusBus34
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My point being their players were leaps and bounds better than Boise St players.
in 2017 FSU had the #6 recruiting class.
in 2017 Boise had the #64 recruitng class
in 2018 FSU had the #11 recruiting class
in 2018 Boise had the #57 recruitning class.
You could fill a notebook of teams with recruiting classes in the 40s, 50s and 60s who beat FSU over the last 5 years.
2017 - NC State, Louisville, Boston College
2018 - Syracuse, NC State
2019 - Boise State, Virginia, Wake Forest, Arizona State
2020 - Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, NC State
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:02 pm to TheGusBus34
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My point being their players were leaps and bounds better than Boise St players.
in 2017 FSU had the #6 recruiting class.
in 2017 Boise had the #64 recruitng class
in 2018 FSU had the #11 recruiting class
in 2018 Boise had the #57 recruitning class.
By this token, Washington was a less talented team than Florida State and absolutely dominated Boise State.
Boise had like 260 yards overall and only like 80 on the ground.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:04 pm to SidewalkTiger
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By this token, Washington was a less talented team than Florida State and absolutely dominated Boise State.
Boise had like 260 yards overall and only like 80 on the ground.
And I'm pretty sure Boise's recruiting rankings were better than BYU and San Jose State - who they lost to in 2020 (and BYU in 2019), as well as Fresno State's (who they lost to in 2018).
I think Harsin is a good coach, but I wouldn't use the FSU game as some sort of evidence of how fantastic a "coach um up" guy he is considering FSU lost games to 3-4 other teams who recruit at a similar level to Boise State.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You could fill a notebook of teams with recruiting classes in the 40s, 50s and 60s who beat FSU over the last 5 years.
2017 - NC State, Louisville, Boston College
2018 - Syracuse, NC State
2019 - Boise State, Virginia, Wake Forest, Arizona State
2020 - Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, NC State
and which one put up over 600 yds of offense on FSU? and which one wasnt a power 5 team?
Boise had by far the worse recruiting rankings vs FSU and put more yds on them than any team you mentioned.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
In reality, Harsin's teams pretty regularly beat the teams they generally recruited better than and lost to the teams that they didn't.
Teams who recruited better than Boise (2-4)
2014 - Ole Miss (L)
2015 - Washington (W)
2016 - Baylor (L)
2017 - Oregon (W)
2018 - Oklahoma St (L)
2019 - Washington (L)
Teams who recruited generally the same as Boise (9-6) (6-6 after year 1)
2014 - BYU (W), SDSU (W), Arizona (W)
2015 - BYU (L), Virginia (W) (also lost to 3 teams who recruit worse - Utah St, New Mexico, Air Force)
2016 - Washington St (W), Oregon St (W) (lost to 2 teams who recruit worse - Wyoming and Air Force)
2017 - Washington St (L), Virginia (L), BYU (W), SDSU (W) (lost to 1 team who recruits worse - Fresno State)
2018 - SDSU (L), BYU (W) (lost to 1 team who recruits worse - Fresno State)
2019 - BYU (L)
2020 - BYU (L) (also lost to 1 team who recruits worse - San Jose State)
8 losses to teams with less talent than them in 7 years - so roughly 1 a season.
Teams who recruited better than Boise (2-4)
2014 - Ole Miss (L)
2015 - Washington (W)
2016 - Baylor (L)
2017 - Oregon (W)
2018 - Oklahoma St (L)
2019 - Washington (L)
Teams who recruited generally the same as Boise (9-6) (6-6 after year 1)
2014 - BYU (W), SDSU (W), Arizona (W)
2015 - BYU (L), Virginia (W) (also lost to 3 teams who recruit worse - Utah St, New Mexico, Air Force)
2016 - Washington St (W), Oregon St (W) (lost to 2 teams who recruit worse - Wyoming and Air Force)
2017 - Washington St (L), Virginia (L), BYU (W), SDSU (W) (lost to 1 team who recruits worse - Fresno State)
2018 - SDSU (L), BYU (W) (lost to 1 team who recruits worse - Fresno State)
2019 - BYU (L)
2020 - BYU (L) (also lost to 1 team who recruits worse - San Jose State)
8 losses to teams with less talent than them in 7 years - so roughly 1 a season.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:14 pm to TheGusBus34
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Boise had by far the worse recruiting rankings vs FSU and put more yds on them than any team you mentioned.
You should probably take a look at the recruiting rankings for a few of those ACC schools the years before their beat FSU.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So, basically, you can expect 1 win against a better team, win 3 out of 5 vs teams with similar talent, and 1 loss a year to a team with less talent.
At Auburn, that seems to equate to 8-4 or 7-5 if the talent level stays the same.
At Auburn, that seems to equate to 8-4 or 7-5 if the talent level stays the same.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
the best way to explain conference losses is proximity, i mean you literally play them yearly so tendencies and familiarity play a lot in conference L's.
Bama is literally better than every team they play and there should be no reason for them to ever lose, you know why they do? Proximity...
Boise St is literally the kings of getting teams built up to beat the big boys, there is no deny that.
Bama is literally better than every team they play and there should be no reason for them to ever lose, you know why they do? Proximity...
Boise St is literally the kings of getting teams built up to beat the big boys, there is no deny that.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:24 pm to TheGusBus34
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Bama is literally better than every team they play and there should be no reason for them to ever lose, you know why they do? Proximity...
And if Harsin had the talent differential Alabama has I'd probably expect him to churn out 10-2/11-1 seasons. But he's not going to be in that situation, he's going to be in a much different situation than that and than he was at Boise.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:26 pm to TheGusBus34
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Boise St is literally the kings of getting teams built up to beat the big boys, there is no deny that.
They're 1-5 vs the SEC
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:29 pm to texag7
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2. Texas A&M (11-1, 7-1)
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:31 pm to SidewalkTiger
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They're 1-5 vs the SEC
Good point, but we cant sit and say boise didnt play them tough. Or didnt produce teams that play above expectations.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:35 pm to TheGusBus34
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Good point, but we cant sit and say boise didnt play them tough
Out of their 5 losses, they got their arse kicked everytime except for a 7 point loss vs a 6-6 Arkansas team in 2000.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:42 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Out of their 5 losses, they got their arse kicked everytime except for a 7 point loss vs a 6-6 Arkansas team in 2000.
Boise also has a winning record vs the BIG-12, PAC-12 and ACC. 3 out the 5 power conferences.
15-12 vs Pac 12
3-1 vs ACC
2-1 vs Big 12
Harsin has been on staff for Boise since around 2000 as TE coach, OC and Head Coach.
Also few coaches prior to coming to an SEC team has a better winning % than him.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:43 pm to TheGusBus34
Harsin inherited a great program and kept it going though it wasn't as good when he left as it was when he got there. His best team was his first one in 2014.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:46 pm to Quicksilver
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Harsin inherited a great program and kept it going though it wasn't as good when he left as it was when he got there. His best team was his first one in 2014.
He also had to deal with changing conferences, something Chris Peterson didnt have to deal with.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:47 pm to TheGusBus34
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Also few coaches prior to coming to an SEC team has a better winning % than him.
I'm not saying Harsin wasn't a good hire, hell, he was worth taking a chance on just as much as anyone else.
Just saying your arguments in this topic for him don't hold up under much scrutiny.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:58 pm to TheGusBus34
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He also had to deal with changing conferences, something Chris Peterson didnt have to deal with.
Boise moved to the MWC in 2011 under Petersen. He went 12-1 in his first year. Harsin didn't take over until 2014 and Boise didn't change conferences under him.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 1:00 pm
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