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re: 2004 AU VS 2003 LSU
Posted on 4/11/10 at 10:45 am to Ross
Posted on 4/11/10 at 10:45 am to Ross
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Defeating Virginia Tech 16-13 in the Sugar Bowl doesn't help your case for a split national championship
We were up 16-0 late in the game when Tubs pulled the plug and VT scored two late TDs.
Also, USC played that same VT team earlier in the 04 season and had to score a late TD to beat them.
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Posted on 4/11/10 at 10:48 am to CFBFAN1121
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We were up 16-0 late in the game when Tubs pulled the plug and VT scored two late TDs.
Also, USC played that same VT team earlier in the 04 season and had to score a late TD to beat them.
VT got a pick off of Campbell that lead to a TD and Tubs shut down the offense after that. The only way VT beats us in that game was we shoot ourselves in the foot and Tubs wanted to make sure that didn't happen. He plays a different style of ball than most teams play today, most teams go for points points and more points Tubs is used to his defense can choke a team to hold them below 25 PPG.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 10:56 am to rangers911
rigth, I was wrong about the 02 game being a bad beating. But I think if Au had beaten USC in 03 you would've played them in 04 over an unbeaten OU team.
But back on topic. I think I'd almost rather have the undefeated SEC Champ season that Au had in 04 vs LSU's 03 bsc team. It's really a tough call as undefeated seasons in this day and age are really effin tough to come by, especially for a SEC team.
But back on topic. I think I'd almost rather have the undefeated SEC Champ season that Au had in 04 vs LSU's 03 bsc team. It's really a tough call as undefeated seasons in this day and age are really effin tough to come by, especially for a SEC team.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 11:20 am to spacewrangler
2004 LSU got screwed by refs against 2004 Auburn
I'll go with 03 LSU
I'll go with 03 LSU
Posted on 4/11/10 at 11:36 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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AU had a more powerful offense though Tubs just sat on leads in 12/13 games in 2004
I guess you're forgetting Bama led yall 6-0 at the half that year too. Not exactly sitting on a lead against a 6-6 team. Auburn's offense was no more powerful than Lsu's or Bama's this past year. You didn't score more per game and if you wanna go there, well.. we sat on leads and put in 2nd stringers too or we coulda ran up the score on some teams. Auburn had a very good team, but they were far from being the best of the decade.
at the delusion and rewriting of history you Aubies are doing.Posted on 4/11/10 at 11:44 am to Alahunter
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Auburn had a very good team, but they were far from being the best of the decade. at the delusion and rewriting of history you Aubies are doing.
So which team in your opinion was the 'best of the decade'? And explain how AU's 04 team was 'far from' that team
This post was edited on 4/11/10 at 11:45 am
Posted on 4/11/10 at 11:48 am to CFBFAN1121
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And explain how AU's 04 team was 'far from' that team
Your offense didn't average the most of any team this decade, and that was with the Citadel on your schedule. Your defense wasn't the best of this decade, even playing SEC teams in down years.
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which team in your opinion was the 'best of the decade'
It'd have to be the only undefeated, National Championship team this decade. The team with more All Americans than any other this decade. The most decorated team in the conference this decade.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 11:57 am to Alahunter
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It'd have to be the only undefeated, National Championship team this decade. The team with more All Americans than any other this decade. The most decorated team in the conference this decade.
So in your opinion, AU in 04 was way behind Bama in 09? Ha.
You can play the stat game all you want, but I'll take AU's offensive skill players against Bama's anyday.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 12:01 pm to CFBFAN1121
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So in your opinion, AU in 04 was way behind Bama in 09? Ha.
You can play the stat game all you want, but I'll take AU's offensive skill players against Bama's anyday
Yes. Consider.. Aub only played 4 teams with winning records and only outscored opponents 32-11. Bama played 10 teams with winning records and outscored opponents 32-11. Aub, even with a weaker schedule, by FAR... couldn't acheive anything better. Like I said.. Aub 04 was very good, but far from the best.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 12:13 pm to Alahunter
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Yes. Consider.. Aub only played 4 teams with winning records and only outscored opponents 32-11. Bama played 10 teams with winning records and outscored opponents 32-11. Aub, even with a weaker schedule, by FAR... couldn't acheive anything better. Like I said.. Aub 04 was very good, but far from the best.
Like I said, you can play that stat game all you want. Stats dont tell the entire story and can be misleading.
I'm talking what would happen head to head on a football field between 04 Au vs 09 Bama. 09 Bama needed damn near miracles to beat Kiffen's UT and Chizik's AU team this year. And you're trying to convince me that 04 Auburn is 'nowhere close to 09 Bama'? Get real.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 12:48 pm to Alahunter
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Like I said.. Aub 04 was very good, but far from the best.
I'm laughing at you, because you truly believe this. That team was not "very far from the best" in any sense of the phrase. Nobody is rewriting history, everything said by proponents of that 2004 Auburn team has been said ever since the conclusion of that season.
ETA: You've gotten into this argument before, and you didn't make a single point by the end of it. I anticipate, given your knack for trolling in this fashion, that you'll continue this thread for a good while and reach the same conclusion, and that conclusion is of no conclusion whatsoever.
This post was edited on 4/11/10 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 4/11/10 at 1:59 pm to Ross
I don't really see the argument here. 2009 Alabama was better than 2004 Auburn because Alabama actually won it all this past year. In 20 years, very few people will remember '04 Auburn because of how great '04 USC was. 1994 Penn State was forgotten by most people because of how good the Nebraska teams of 94 and 95 were.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 2:14 pm to Ross
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You've gotten into this argument before, and you didn't make a single point by the end of it
Because you refuse to see things for what they are. Au 04 is top 4 in the decade, imo and that's pretty dang good. But they weren't the best by any means. Yall want to try to say Bama nearly lost two games, but refuse to see where a penalty kept you from going into overtime, with momentum lost against Lsu, and you had to come from behind in the 2nd half against a .500 Bama team. The fact also still remains, that 8 teams that you played, were .500 or worse. And with that, you still didn't have the best offense of the decade, the best rushing team of the decade or the best defense of the decade. Yall are remembering things that just weren't so. Caddy and Ronnie were good, but they were at best, the 3rd best tandem this decade. Campbell did a good job that year, but sucked every other year. Yall played a VERY down SEC that year, as evidenced that only 3 teams had a winning record that yall played.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 2:59 pm to Alahunter
Since you failed to win anyone over in the first argument, shall we go ahead and bring up every single stat sheet brought out before, every single argument brought out before, and every single path of logic that was brought out before, including a few fallacies in your logic?
I mean, I guess it's inevitable; seeing how the offseason is on the horizon and the "best team of the decade" topics will flare up as usual.
I mean, I guess it's inevitable; seeing how the offseason is on the horizon and the "best team of the decade" topics will flare up as usual.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 3:01 pm to RollTide1987
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I don't really see the argument here. 2009 Alabama was better than 2004 Auburn because Alabama actually won it all this past year. In 20 years, very few people will remember '04 Auburn because of how great '04 USC was. 1994 Penn State was forgotten by most people because of how good the Nebraska teams of 94 and 95 were.
Their SEASON was better. You can't really say either team was better than the other without appearing to be a biased prick (see Alahunter, even though he'll try to mask his bias with pseudo-intellectual statements and manipulations of stat sheets)
Posted on 4/11/10 at 3:03 pm to BhamDore
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Really you would pick a loss over a perfect season just because of a trophy.
It's called a loser mentality. The kind of people who would rather have something given to them than earn it.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 3:04 pm to rbWarEagle
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2004 AU: 4-1st rounders and if Tuberville wasn't so damn conservative, we would have blown out 70% of our schedule
We did blow out 70% of our schedule.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:11 pm to Ross
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You can't really say either team was better than the other without appearing to be a biased prick (see Alahunter, even though he'll try to mask his bias with pseudo-intellectual statements and manipulations of stat sheets)
Go suck some OT dick, pussy. You cannot counter any argument I've made so you have resorted to spouting off insults. Believe what you want, but you CANNOT make any argument as to why any facet of the 04 team is any better than any other team that they've been compared to. All you can say is yall had 4 NFL first rounders. Big whup. One has panned out, one can't stay healthy and live up to getting hit and the other has been riding the pine off and on for his career. You want to act like you're nonbiased, but you bring no argument, no discussion. You have something compared against your team and your reaction is to hurl insults and drift off topic. Go suck some OT dick, you've been better suited for that than for any kind of discussions on here, if someone isn't kissing Au arse.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:12 pm to Alahunter
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Go suck some OT dick, pussy.
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so you have resorted to spouting off insults.
Posted on 4/11/10 at 4:14 pm to Ross
At least I brought some worthy shite to the table. You don't even do that. Yeah, I hurled some insults there, seems that's all you understand here lately.
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