re: 2004 AU VS 2003 LSU

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Who would win this match up and why?

Which season would you rather have undefeated sugarbowl champions or 1 loss National champions.

I think 2003 LSU would win personally, but I would rather go undefeated than have a loss and a token trophy.

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Oh come on. Auburn beat LSU by 1 pt in 2004 on a fluke call that never was called again. And that LSU team was not near the level of the 2003 team. *read QB 12 Marcus Randall*

LSU's 2003 team was much much better than Auburn's 2004 team. And yea I'd take a NC over a undefeated season any day. Ask Boise State and Utah.

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*read QB 12 Marcus Randall*

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randall played well on his 1 fricking drive of the game. LSU's only TD.

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I conceeded that LSU was probably the better team, but I would rather have an undefeated season than 1 loss season with a split championship.

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Then there is no hope for you. I am sure you would just love to go 12-0 and win the SEC Championship, only to find that you are ranked #3 in the final BCS standings and can't play for it all. That's a great feeling. Why don't you go to ITAT and ask how that feeling feels. You'd most likely get banned instantly because it still hurts.

I don't care what you think, but ask any "old timer" how it felt to go 11-1 and win the national championship in 1978 and I think you would find there are quite a few who still haven't gotten over the euphoria of that Sugar Bowl victory over #1 Penn State all those years ago. And they could care less if it was a split national championship. It still felt really good.

If you go undefeated in the SEC and win Atlanta then you are 95% of the time the best team in the country. Who the frick needs a glass tropy for validation when there is a 0 in your loss column and you won the the most competitive confrence.

Overall talent this isn't a close match up some think.

The only question is does Auburn play at home or LSU?

The 2003 so far had the most players of any team in the SEC in the last 10 years play in the pros.

Only at lb is the a hint of lack of depth on the LSU team, other than that there are near 3 deep at every position.

Auburn won at home in 2004 by 1 point on a call never made in the history of college football up to that point.

That LSU was missing it's starting QB, WR, AA OL, and Hill, give lSU just those 4 players back and they beat Auburn in Auburn in 2004.

BTW LSU weak offense scored 475 in 2003 to Auburn's 417 in 2004.

Your forgeting LSU was a balanced offense, and LSU wr's are Clayton, Henderson, Bowe, Davis, etc.

Also LSU 2003 schedule is tougher than Auburn's 2004. There is no Florida on the 2004 Auburn Schedule.

On defense Auburn gave up 147 vs LSU's 154.

Not hard to figure out who the Gumps are gonna bash or pick on this thread.

Who knows. Would have been a hell of a game.

A look at the SEC in the BCS MNC game...

2009 Bama (14-0)
2008 Fla. (13-1)
2007 LSU (12-2)
2006 Fla. (13-1)
2003 LSU (13-1)
1998 Tenn (13-0)

Got screwed...

2004 AU (13-0)

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If you go undefeated in the SEC and win Atlanta then you are 95% of the time the best team in the country.

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It's just too bad Auburn did in in the year where they weren't the best team in the country. You do know that this development of the SEC being the best conference in the land is a VERY recent one, right? That mentality wasn't developed until after the 2006 and 2007 seasons.

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Who the frick needs a glass tropy for validation when there is a 0 in your loss column and you won the the most competitive confrence.

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I wouldn't expect you to know what it feels like to get a glass trophy in anything so I won't even debate you on this point.

exactly just because they didn't get the trophy doesn't mean they were not the best team.

If Alabama beats UF in 08 they could very well have been the MNC, but we all know Utah was a better team and whipped that arse.

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I think it is closer than you might think. LSU averaged 34 points a game. Auburn averaged 32 points a game.

LSU's defense in 2003 allowed just 11 points a game. 2004 Auburn's defense allowed 11.3

2003 LSU gets the slight edge

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There were 3 games in 04 Auburn could have hung 70 points on the other team and a couple we could have come close to tripple digits. The Kentucky game we could have destroyed them but Tubs was trying to be nice to some of the coaches and not run up the score.

The LSU defense was slightly better than the numbers show due to the style of play they had. The 04 Auburn defense was helped by the fact the offense could score at will.

Also I will say it again Jason Campbell was not to be denied in 04. he said things just clicked in the second half of the LSU game and he never looked back. He had one of the best seasons of any QB in the SEC in a long time and arguably the best performance of any SEC QB this past decade. Also Tuberville has a better record head to head against Saban even when Saban had better talent at times.

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Auburn's 03 had better personel team than their 04 team, but Hugh knall was the OC. Auburn 03 also had Karlos Dansby and Brandon Jacobs, but I'm sure AU 04 would have walloped their 03 team.

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Once things clicked for Campbell there was no team that was going to stop him. He had a 200 passer rating on 3rd downs. You couple that with our running backs and the fact several of our offensive linemen were just that good that team would beat any Florida team the past decade and I'd rate the chances better than average for beating LSU and 08 Bama team. I'm not saying the others are bad but that team was very good.