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Posted on 7/8/18 at 10:46 pm to lion
Posted on 7/8/18 at 10:46 pm to lion
I do need to read that book. But that kind of leads me to my next question.
And please correct me if I’m wrong. But the reason why Mississippi wasn’t the 1960 Champion was because of segregation? I know the South has a history but perhaps it was more known in Mississippi?
1957 Auburn, 1958 LSU, 1961 Alabama won national titles but not 1960 Ole Miss. Any truths to why Ole Miss (9-0-1) was denied in favor of (8-1) Minnesota?
And please correct me if I’m wrong. But the reason why Mississippi wasn’t the 1960 Champion was because of segregation? I know the South has a history but perhaps it was more known in Mississippi?
1957 Auburn, 1958 LSU, 1961 Alabama won national titles but not 1960 Ole Miss. Any truths to why Ole Miss (9-0-1) was denied in favor of (8-1) Minnesota?
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 10:51 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
Honestly? The BCS was the best system in hindsight.
It did its job to perfection, which was to pair the winner of the SEC with the #2 team in the country!
It did its job to perfection, which was to pair the winner of the SEC with the #2 team in the country!
Posted on 7/8/18 at 10:55 pm to stomp
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Honestly? The BCS was the best system in hindsight.
It did its job to perfection, which was to pair the winner of the SEC with the #2 team in the country!
Posted on 7/8/18 at 10:56 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
Well, yeah. Because I believe that the BEST team should be awarded a national championship. I am quite willing to admit that Alabama was the best team in 66 and 75. I don't see many Alabama fans willing to admit that Bama actually wasn't the best team in 64.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 11:33 pm to Oklahomey
This sounds like a discussion i would hear if i were in the game room of nursing home
Posted on 7/8/18 at 11:54 pm to MSHawg1
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Well, yeah. Because I believe that the BEST team should be awarded a national championship. I am quite willing to admit that Alabama was the best team in 66 and 75. I don't see many Alabama fans willing to admit that Bama actually wasn't the best team in 64.
IMO, Bama was the best team in 64. First of all the polls were closed before the bowls were played as it had always been.
Secondly, if we had "things as they are today" Bama would have beaten Texas because replay would have shown that Namath scored as he claimed.
Thirdly, IMO best team doesn't win probably half the time anyway. Good and bad fortune play a big part. You pick a system, everyone agrees, then you accept the outcome. That's why I don't complain about 1945 10-0 Rose Bowl winning Alabama, or 66 only undefeated team, or 75 or 77. That's the breaks.
People, primarily stirred up by jealous AU fans, charge that Bama claims "Opelika Gazette" type NCs. Except for 41, all of Bama's claims are legit. They are all wire service (the most widely accepted claims) and 4 undefeated Rose Bowl winners prior to the AP. Bama actually has 13 other seasons, 4 mentioned in this thread, in which some selector(s) have awarded them a NC. Most are completely bogus, none are local, but Bama does not claim any of them.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 11:56 pm to tattoo
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Except for 41, all of Bama's claims are legit.
Important caveat. That '41 claim is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:07 am to skadoosh14
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skadoosh14
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Important caveat. That '41 claim is ridiculous.
Agree completely. The only reason I can think that they would choose that one vs say, 45 or 66 or 75 or 77 or 10 more is that it helps bridge the gap from 34-61. But 7 years? Really 45 would have been much better. Maybe patriotism discouraged them since Army was num 1 and Bama num 2 in 1945 a war year. Besides that it's wrong, as well as ridiculous. 9-2, 20 in the AP. It has allowed AU and a few other haters to latch on to that one as an example and act as though there many are like that. But no others are.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:07 am to skadoosh14
In 1941 to be considered a national champion a team had to finish number one in one of the major polls. Those were the rules of the time. Bama finished number 1 in the Houlgate poll. In 1941, Houlgate was the oldest remaining recognized system for crowning National Champions. It began in 1927, and was highly regarded for its systematic approach to finding out who the best team in the nation was. In fact, it was the only system at the time that took strength of schedule into account.
Alabama/Minnesota, side by side:
Record:
Minnesota: 8-0
Alabama: 9-2
Opponents’ Record (Teams played with winning records)
Minnesota: 31-35-1 (3)
Alabama: 69-23-2 (9)
Strength of Schedule (according to Massey’s retro-ratings):
Minnesota: 41 out of 119
Alabama: 5 out of 119
AP Ranked Teams Played (either ranked during week played or ranked in final AP poll)
Minnesota: 2
Alabama: 5
Teams Played Who Finished With 2 or Fewer Loses:
Minnesota: 1
Alabama: 7
Alabama/Minnesota, side by side:
Record:
Minnesota: 8-0
Alabama: 9-2
Opponents’ Record (Teams played with winning records)
Minnesota: 31-35-1 (3)
Alabama: 69-23-2 (9)
Strength of Schedule (according to Massey’s retro-ratings):
Minnesota: 41 out of 119
Alabama: 5 out of 119
AP Ranked Teams Played (either ranked during week played or ranked in final AP poll)
Minnesota: 2
Alabama: 5
Teams Played Who Finished With 2 or Fewer Loses:
Minnesota: 1
Alabama: 7
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:31 am to Oklahomey
This board might not be able to handle a truthful off-season conversation but good topic ,and hat's off to that. 
Tony Galbreth was a nightmare and we thought we could mail it in.
BAMA woke up after that game and performed as expected.
One of the times Bear got outcoached too.
Tony Galbreth was a nightmare and we thought we could mail it in.
BAMA woke up after that game and performed as expected.
One of the times Bear got outcoached too.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:45 am to viceman
You're correct. In 1941 you only needed 1 selector to be considered national champions, and Alabama had 1 selector. Minnesota had 11 selectors and Texas had 3 (they have the decency to not claim that one).
That doesn't change the fact that Alabama was shutout twice that season and finished 3rd in the SEC.
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That is just completely untrue. The Litkenhous Rankings, the Williamson System, the Billingsley Report (retroactively), and Berryman QPRS (retroactively) all took strength of schedule into account.
That doesn't change the fact that Alabama was shutout twice that season and finished 3rd in the SEC.
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In fact, it was the only system at the time that took strength of schedule into account.
That is just completely untrue. The Litkenhous Rankings, the Williamson System, the Billingsley Report (retroactively), and Berryman QPRS (retroactively) all took strength of schedule into account.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 2:13 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:08 am to skadoosh14
Also, since you're making a case for claiming '41, can you make a case for not claiming others? Like undefeated seasons in 1945 and 1966, or even '75 and '77 where both seasons a 1 loss Alabama actually won the SEC. Alabama had a selector in each of those seasons, but decided to pass on those for the 2 loss, 20th ranked, 2nd runner up in the SEC. It's honestly asinine.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:08 am to MSHawg1
not necessarily best team in 66 75 but at least as worthy...bama in a national championship game not an exhibition orange bowl has joe namath ready to go and plays entire and the game is not close.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:10 am to Evolved Simian
lol lost to a crappy kansas team ....ou was a turnover machine,overrated but media darlings
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:11 am to MSHawg1
yes 64 65 66..
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:13 am to viceman
minnesota overrated 8 games no bowls ..unproven crapola
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:15 am to skadoosh14
i do not claim 41 but ...2 loss regular season bama beat the hell out of a #2 texas am...all the other top teams either did not play in a bowl game or lost ...bama was last man standing...
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:16 am to SAINTS0321
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:28 am to SAINTS0321
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minnesota overrated 8 games no bowls ..unproven crapola
Minnesota was the defending national champions. 1941 was their second consecutive undefeated season. They beat #3 Michigan in Ann Arbor and #9 Northwestern.
Fun fact: The Big Ten didn't allow their teams to play in bowls until mid-late 40s due to a rule that required all football games to be played before Thanksgiving. That is why Minnesota didn't play in a bowl in 1941.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 2:43 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:00 am to skadoosh14
Good info.stil unproven
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