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12-team CFP: Potential candidates for an expanded Pac-12?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:28 am
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:28 am
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After Texas and Oklahoma announced that they would be going to the SEC, it opened the door for both USC and UCLA to jump ship and leave the Pac-12 for the Big Ten.
There is a belief that Oregon may also end up moving to the Big Ten in the coming years, along with another school like Washington or Utah. However the Pac-12 appears to be making a last-ditch effort to try and expand itself, working to get back to 12 teams.
According to Brett McMurphy on Tuesday night, Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff will be taking a visit to SMU on Wednesday, which could be the first major domino to fall.
Who else could Kliavkoff look to add to the conference to bring it up to full strength? We’ve got a few candidates in mind.
• SMU — Media Market: Dallas, Texas (No. 5)
• San Diego State — Media Market: San Diego, California (No. 27)
• UNLV — Media Market: Las Vegas, Nevada (No. 40)
• Fresno State — Media Market: Fresno, California (No. 55)
• Boise State — Media Market: Boise, Idaho (No. 101)
• UTSA — Media Market: San Antonio, Texas (No. 31)
• Nevada — Media Market: Reno, Nevada (No. 104)
• Colorado State — Media Market: Denver/Fort Collins, Colorado (No. 16)
Ducks Wire: Potential candidates should the Pac-12 look to expand
Beginning sometime in 2024-2026, the expanded 12-team CFP will feature the six highest-ranked conference champions as automatic qualifiers along with the next six highest-ranked teams.
Knowing this, where does the "new" Pac-12 fit into this scenario? If Oregon and Washington leave, do any of the above programs deserve AQ status if they manage to win the conference?
Or does the inclusion of these teams make for better football regardless?
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:38 am to paperwasp
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Knowing this, where does the "new" Pac-12 fit into this scenario? If Oregon and Washington leave, do any of the above programs deserve AQ status if they manage to win the conference?
Or does the inclusion of these teams make for better football regardless?
From a pure addition standpoint, SMU and San Diego State don't increase the football quality of the conference. Both teams were okay last year and have been solid G5 programs for the last decade, but the Pac-12 minus USC/UCLA versus the Pac-12 minus USC/UCLA plus SMU/SDSU aren't appreciably different.
In terms of AQ, whatever. It's the worst P5 conference if you remove USC and UCLA, but still better than any G5 conference with the Big XII poaching the AAC. The Pac-12 absolutely collapses if Oregon or Washington go to the Big Ten or two of Arizona/ASU/Colorado/Utah head to the Big XII since the remaining teams in that group will just follow suit, at which point it's definitely not a P5 conference but the new rules could be read as each P4 champion and the two highest ranked G6 champions which is dumb but not the end of the world.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:47 am to TrumpedUpVol
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the new rules could be read as each P4 champion and the two highest ranked G6 champions
Interesting concept.
So basically remove their P5 status, and simply view it as an additional G5 conference?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:52 am to paperwasp
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Interesting concept.
So basically remove their P5 status, and simply view it as an additional G5 conference?
It actually won't matter with the new playoff rules. The playoff doesn't differentiate.
The top 6 conference champions get in, regardless of P5/G5. The top 4 get byes. After that it's the top ranked teams to fill out the bracket to 12.
The difference in designation ceases to matter.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:13 am to DawginSC
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The top 6 conference champions get in, regardless of P5/G5
Yeah, semantics aside, I guess I'm just curious if they would deserve an AQ spot simply by virtue of being a former P5 conference in name-only.
Would it make sense to give AQs and byes to fewer teams (like 4) and fill in with more of the remaining top ranked teams (8)?
As it stands, in this potential scenario, UNLV winning the former Pac-12 by beating Nevada and SMU would carry as much weight as Georgia winning the SEC.
All this to say, I really don't like AQs.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:26 am to paperwasp
FootballScoop makes the case for SDSU based on physical proximity and their media market.
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Multiple reports this week indicate the conference is focusing on making San Diego State and SMU members No. 11 and 12. In reality, there really is no replacing USC and UCLA. They were the Pac-12's anchor to the nation's No. 2 media market.
On that front, San Diego State appears to have the most leverage that a Group of 5 school has had, or ever will have, over a Power 5 conference.
SDSU's Snapdragon Stadium is an 89-mile drive from Mater Dei High School; the next-closest Pac-12 location, Arizona State's Sun Devil Stadium, is 370 miles away. Kliavkoff will see first hand that SMU is very, very far from the West Coast. SMU is in the Dallas-Fort Worth media market, but the Mustangs do not carry it.
CBS Sports reports that the Pac-12 is expected to be "heavily reliant" on a digital streaming partner for its post-USC/UCLA media contract.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:31 am to paperwasp
SMU?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:41 am to Ancient Astronaut
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SMU?
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SMU is near the top of the list of potential candidates for Pac-12 expansion, as the media market in Dallas is among the biggest in the nation, and SMU has a large alumnus base. Kliavkoff is heading to Dallas this week for potential talks.
I think this sort of goes back to a discussion we've had here about the relevancy (or lack thereof) of the media market in today's digital streaming era.
It seems the Pac-12 thinks it's still a priority, at least.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 11:59 am to TrumpedUpVol
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at which point it's definitely not a P5 conference
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UNLV winning the former Pac-12 by beating Nevada and SMU would carry as much weight as Georgia winning the SEC
Daniel and Josh (CFB Nerds), if y'all are reading this thread, please feel free to chime in here as well.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:22 pm to paperwasp
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Tennessee
Should jump to the PAC just for kicks and giggles then watch all these other schools asking to join the conference.
With Oklahoma, Texas and A&M around just too many steers and queers
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Tennessee
Should jump to the PAC just for kicks and giggles then watch all these other schools asking to join the conference.
With Oklahoma, Texas and A&M around just too many steers and queers
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:28 pm to paperwasp
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Potential candidates for an expanded Pac-12?
#1 UCLA is a state school and I will believe the move after it happens, not before
#2 Your list has little real value the better move would be to merge the PAC with the B12 (sans OU and Utx) then cull the herd till you get down to just 12 - 16 schools
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:41 pm to Cheese Grits
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the better move would be to merge the PAC with the B12
Yeah, it seems like they were trying to do just that — the brief "Alliance" between the ACC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 was interesting.
In 2021 those three ended up being the only dissenters against a 12-team CFP happening in this current contract, in part (again) citing revenue distributions and the TV contract.
And then like a year later, their friendship seems to have dissolved.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:45 pm to paperwasp
Folks keep thinking the narrative is about expanding but in reality realignment is about contraction.
Big East + B1G + Big 12 + ACC + SEC + PAC is now without the BE and if the B12 and PAC merge there will be some dead weight to cull there.
Big East + B1G + Big 12 + ACC + SEC + PAC is now without the BE and if the B12 and PAC merge there will be some dead weight to cull there.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:50 pm to paperwasp
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It seems the Pac-12 thinks it's still a priority, at least.
It just further highlights how awful those in charge of the Pac-12 continue to be. Their arrogance towards what they view as academically inferior schools will continue to be their deathknell.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:06 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Their arrogance towards what they view as academically inferior schools will continue to be their deathknell.
B1G fits that profile as well
Karma is biting both in the backside for all their crap in the 50's, 60's, and 70's
I for one am glad I got to live long enough to see it.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:07 pm to paperwasp
I'm still surprised by what happened to the Pac 12. They've been 100% in lockstep with the Big 10, in every decision. Forced the SEC to work with the ACC and/or Big 12, because you KNEW those two would vote together as a block. There was never even a doubt.
I don't see how the Pac 12 can recover- it's not just a couple teams, it's the So Cal teams. That's a giant hole in the middle of their territory, and there's no viable replacement to fill that spot.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Pac 12 votes AGAINST the Big 10 now, in every decision. Too little too late, maybe, but I'm pretty sure they're now bitter enemies.
I don't see how the Pac 12 can recover- it's not just a couple teams, it's the So Cal teams. That's a giant hole in the middle of their territory, and there's no viable replacement to fill that spot.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Pac 12 votes AGAINST the Big 10 now, in every decision. Too little too late, maybe, but I'm pretty sure they're now bitter enemies.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:19 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Their arrogance towards what they view as academically inferior schools will continue to be their deathknell
That, and their refusal to go along with modern convention over some bizarre desire to uphold the sanctity of the Rose Bowl.
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