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Gus - or - Hugh: Who Will Be Better?
Posted on 10/13/13 at 10:31 am
Posted on 10/13/13 at 10:31 am
At the end of the AU game last week I started to wonder, who will end up being the better coach? What do you guys think?
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Posted on 10/13/13 at 10:33 am to RebelOP
Auburn has a better program so it will be easier for Gus. Hugh as more of an uphill battle. That's really all you can say at this point.
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Posted on 10/13/13 at 10:37 am to UMRealist
Auburn has had a top 15 class nearly every year. Gus walked into a situation that's better depth wise than Freeze in year two. "Better" isn't the word I would use. If Freeze is getting top 10 recruiting classes and Auburn is higher, is it really a better job by Gus?
Posted on 10/13/13 at 10:55 am to RebelOP
Gus has more talent right now, so he will look better faster. If Hugh gets a couple more top 15 classes I wouldn't trade him.
Posted on 10/13/13 at 11:10 am to RebelOP
The difference is in the depths they both started with.
fricking Houston Nutt
fricking Houston Nutt
This post was edited on 10/13/13 at 11:11 am
Posted on 10/13/13 at 11:47 am to RebelOP
Auburn has gotten like five straight top 15 classes
In the span we had one that was 76th and from the mutt era 22 out of the 32 guys we got from south Florida graduated. We are in a shirty situation and it sucks for freeze
In the span we had one that was 76th and from the mutt era 22 out of the 32 guys we got from south Florida graduated. We are in a shirty situation and it sucks for freeze
Posted on 10/13/13 at 1:38 pm to Landsharks
Considering the built in advantages that Gus has from talent on roster, established recruiting grounds, recent success (A BCS NC that can be attributed to him) and the overall support and budget of the athletic department, If Gus is an above average coach, he will "look" better than a good Freezus.It really is comparing apples to oranges to try and compare the two programs
If Ole Miss is competitive with Auburn over the next 5-10 years and comes close to splitting the series.
Freeze > Gus
After 5-10 years, if Freeze and Gus are still around, the foundation should be around for both to have more equal playing field to compare
If Ole Miss is competitive with Auburn over the next 5-10 years and comes close to splitting the series.
Freeze > Gus
After 5-10 years, if Freeze and Gus are still around, the foundation should be around for both to have more equal playing field to compare
This post was edited on 10/13/13 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 10/15/13 at 6:52 am to RebelOP
Gus..
Posted on 10/15/13 at 7:47 am to Rivergirl
Please just get out.
Posted on 10/15/13 at 10:46 am to Rivergirl
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Rivergirl
Troll account.
Posted on 10/15/13 at 11:00 am to Rivergirl
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Rivergirl
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Posted on 10/15/13 at 11:30 am to RebelOP
It will be easier for Gus to be successful at auburn because if facilities and the recruiting they can do. I think freeze at another school would do well. There is just that ceiling for the Mississippi programs
Posted on 10/15/13 at 11:30 am to Jma313
State fans say shite like that. Ole Miss and State have different ceilings. DWI
Posted on 10/15/13 at 12:47 pm to sorantable
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State fans say shite like that. Ole Miss and State have different ceilings. DWI
YAOM
Posted on 10/15/13 at 12:49 pm to RebelOP
Gus has basically been there for, what, 4 years minus the one year he was at ASU. His players were already there and already knew his system for the most part.
HF was starting from scratch and has a ways to go to catch up to AU.
As far as coaching ability, we shall see
HF was starting from scratch and has a ways to go to catch up to AU.
As far as coaching ability, we shall see
Posted on 10/15/13 at 1:03 pm to Rivergirl
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Rivergirl
Pics??
determines
Not OT-8, GTFO
Posted on 10/15/13 at 1:53 pm to sorantable
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Ole Miss and State have different ceilings. DWI
All things constant, there are a lot of things that aren't just going to "go away" with one good season. These are things that require longterm success therefor sort of a "ceiling" if you will.
Recruiting
Simple fact that MS does not put out the talent that a GA, FL or even AL does. There is talent but ya'll need to essentially do a clean sweep plus some. This past year's class was a perfect storm of circumstances and you likely won't see those initial conditions again. Until ya'll are winning consistently, ya'll won't be putting up top 5-10 classes
Talent
This should be a subsection of recruiting or vice versa. Right now, the talent level of Ole Miss is not that of Auburn and shouldn't be expecetd since AU has recruited at such a high level for years.
Recruiting will fix this but it will be a few years before a team of players recruited for Freeze's system and experienced with talent will be on a field
Facilities
Again, winning brings $ which brings new facilities. In the mean time, ya'll aren't like UTk and can't brag about having state of the art facilities. While you don't have poor facilities, it is not something you can sell recruits on. In terms of performance, improved facilities improve performance from weight rooms to rehabilitation to simulating conditions.
Fan Support
Ole Miss is notorious for brushing off losing but for ya'll to improve above your status, ya'lls fans need to be like :gulp: Bama fans. The fanaticism and overall obsession with the football aspect as opposed to the chandelier tailgates is huge.
This post was edited on 10/15/13 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/15/13 at 1:55 pm to GenesChin
That is the difference between a Gus and even a Butch Jones.
Recruiting, fan support and facilities are all in place right now at this moment. All they need to do is scheme and do Xs and Os and maintain what they already have.
Hugh Freeze has to build all those things I just metioned as well as outcoach people. Lot harder task for Freezus than other guys in similar stages of their careers.
I view Ole Miss in a similar light as Oregon back in the 1990s. Good years in history but not a traditional power. Lots of potential but a lot of things need to go right. Similar difficulties in terms of recruiting ground (better at Ole Miss), fan support (winning fixes like Oregon did) and financial support (Ole Miss money needs to combine to match Phil Knight Money)
SEC cancels with Nike Bumps in that situation
Recruiting, fan support and facilities are all in place right now at this moment. All they need to do is scheme and do Xs and Os and maintain what they already have.
Hugh Freeze has to build all those things I just metioned as well as outcoach people. Lot harder task for Freezus than other guys in similar stages of their careers.
I view Ole Miss in a similar light as Oregon back in the 1990s. Good years in history but not a traditional power. Lots of potential but a lot of things need to go right. Similar difficulties in terms of recruiting ground (better at Ole Miss), fan support (winning fixes like Oregon did) and financial support (Ole Miss money needs to combine to match Phil Knight Money)
SEC cancels with Nike Bumps in that situation
This post was edited on 10/15/13 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 10/15/13 at 2:46 pm to GenesChin
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I view Ole Miss in a similar light as Oregon back in the 1990s.
I'll take it... The key for OM ( and Rebels don't wanna hear this) is stability.... Saban and Miles won't be at LSU/Bama too much longer (I'm talking like 2020).... When they leave we need to have solid depth and a good QB in place... That's when we can really move up the ladder and make a push for ATL.... Not saying we can't make noise between now and then;.... It's just gonna take a bunch of breaks and we never get breaks sooooooooo
Posted on 10/15/13 at 2:50 pm to reggierayreb
shite sucks. But honestly with three teams in top ten in our division it is very unlikely that we compete for Atlanta year in year out. I honestly think Texas ATM will drop off next year after JFF leaves but due to their recent recruiting success I don't see them being down for long( and by down I mean an eight win team). Then of course fricking auburn always has the best of us.
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