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re: Do we redshirt Devante Kincade?

Posted on 5/16/13 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by EC Reb
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 2:42 pm to
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I'm going to hijack this thread for a moment, but is anyone else concerned we (Sprivals, Bear Rant, fans in general) are just anointing Kincade as our next starting QB? Our fanbase tends to do it and it never works out well .



The anointing thing is a product of not consistently recruiting good quarterbacks
Posted by reggierayreb
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 2:51 pm to
Buchanan will become a frat star at OM the second he sets foot on campus for orientation.


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Buchanan is a good QB but I just don't see him starting over switchblade... People always pump up these academy kids and they hardly ever amount to shite on the football field in the SEC... Will Overstreet being a huge exception... Maybe he will though... Hopefully he proves me wrong and throws for 40+ TDs during his OM career.

This post was edited on 5/18/13 at 7:34 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 3:27 pm to
For almost all positions except RB, WR and DB, it is more beneficial to redshirt if you have the choice.

QB needs to learn the intricacies of D1 Defenses

TE, OL, DL and LB typically need to add significant amount of "good" weight (not Jemarcus Russell weight) to be big enough to play which takes a redshirt.
Posted by WhistlinDixie15
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 3:30 pm to
I've told you many times I think kincade is going to be the better of the two especially for us and our system... However I'd go as far as saying that kincade would be a better pro style than Buchannan
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 3:33 pm to
Plan to RS DK. You don't do the paperwork until after the season. He will travel and dress and be available in an emergency situation. But unless we have a chance to win the west I don't see us taking off his RS even if BW and BB go down.
Posted by Doresrules
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 8:29 pm to
I say there is NO WAY we RS Kincade.

Miller is just not there yet. I had high hopes he would take that next step. He just hasnt.

That being said if Wallace has a outstanding year he could decide to go pro.(Mel Kiper did in fact mention him the other day) Then we are left with two RS freshmen with no game experience and Miller.

I say let the two RS freshmen compete. The winner doesnt RS but plays garbage minutes this year to get game experience. If Wallace returns for 2014 then you have a excellent returning QB and a quality backup with game experience who can push Wallace even more.
Posted by HottyToddy7
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Posted on 5/16/13 at 10:31 pm to
I disagree completely. Garbage minutes do not equal experience. Id rather have another year rather than that type of experience.
This post was edited on 5/16/13 at 10:32 pm
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 5/17/13 at 12:26 am to
I say no but what do I know
Posted by WhistlinDixie15
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Posted on 5/17/13 at 1:23 am to
EVERYTHING!!!
Posted by Doresrules
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Posted on 5/17/13 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

I disagree completely. Garbage minutes do not equal experience. Id rather have another year rather than that type of experience.


I dont agree. Games like SE Missouri or whoever it is we play would still have starters in the game in a blowout getting minutes against a bigger SEC team. It would give Kincade/Buchanan the opportunity to experience the D1 level speed in a real game.

Also like I stated earlier, what do we do if Wallace has a outstanding year and chooses to go to the NFL ala Jevan Snead? Start a RS Soph who has no game experience? I'd rather have a guy that has played in games you will be more ready for that year and knows what to expect rather than some guy playing on the scout squad.
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 10:53 am to
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Also like I stated earlier, what do we do if Wallace has a outstanding year and chooses to go to the NFL ala Jevan Snead? Start a RS Soph who has no game experience?

Isn't that sort of what we did with Bo Wallace?
Posted by GatorReb
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 12:04 pm to
IMO like someone else said I would rather have another year than garbage time experience.

Let him purely focus on the mental aspects of football this year and then let him be ready after that.

Cause to me garbage time against SE Mizzo does not come anywhere close to playing in the sec. So it won't help him that much.
Posted by GatorReb
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

I'm going to hijack this thread for a moment, but is anyone else concerned we (Sprivals, Bear Rant, fans in general) are just anointing Kincade as our next starting QB? Our fanbase tends to do it and it never works out well (See Spurlock, Michael, Schaffer, Brent or Snead, Jevan). We should just sit back and see which of the two young QBs wins the job when it's their time.


The thing about this is is that it doesn't matter what we say/think about the qb battle.

When it comes time the coaches will play who they think is best. So we can anoint whoever we want and it won't mater.

I'm a Switchblade fan for our future. I think he will be the perfect fit. That's why I want him redshirted this year. Then hopefully Bo is still around next year (but not because of a bad season haha) and then he can pick up Garbage time as a redshirt freshman behind a senior qb. Would be perfect.
Posted by Doresrules
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 12:12 pm to
Yes. Do you remember the nearly 20 INTs from last year. Several of which were at critical points in the game.

Why not have a true Soph. with game experience to start...
Posted by Doresrules
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 12:22 pm to
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Cause to me garbage time against SE Mizzo does not come anywhere close to playing in the sec. So it won't help him that much


Why on earth wouldnt it help? He'd be running plays with guys like Laremy Tunsil and Golson and guys that he will be playing with. Learning the offense as he plays.

Also this year we have Brunetti who can run the offense somewhat. We also would have Kincade as well. Next year even if Wallace were to return we'd be left with Miller who just doesnt seem to be a SEC QB with no experience and two RS QBs with no experience.

I understand the extra year argument but what are we saving years for? Its not like this staff is gonna pull another Houston Nutt and not recruit more talented QBs. I'm sure we take one QB this year.
Posted by GatorReb
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 12:42 pm to
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Also this year we have Brunetti who can run the offense somewhat. We also would have Kincade as well. Next year even if Wallace were to return we'd be left with Miller who just doesnt seem to be a SEC QB with no experience and two RS QBs with no experience.


Exactly. This year we do have BB. So we have a starter in Bo and backup in BB.

So then in trash time who plays? Do you just skip BB and go straight to Devante? Then if Bo gets hurt you have BB that hasn't been getting playing time and Devante as a true freshman.

I
quote:

I understand the extra year argument but what are we saving years for


Saving years for the future. That's how you build a team, and a program. I don't know about you but I would like some long term success for us. Not just a year here or there.

Now don't get me wrong. When it comes to Devante red shirting if the coaches feel that at ANY POINT in this coming season he alone has a chance to win us a game he needs to play. But I do not think there is a single game this season that him playing or not will matter in the outcome of a game.

And the "experience" that he will get in week 2 in trash time against SE Mizz does not equal enough benefit to bypass a redshirt.

Cause fact of the matter is. We play a tough schedule. We are going to be in a lot of close games and after SE Mizz there isn't gonna be much trash time for him to play in IMO.

But in the end this all comes down to our personal coaching philosophies. And IMO I would rather have the redshirted year in this position. I'm sure some people agree with me and some disagree. That's just how it goes.
This post was edited on 5/18/13 at 12:45 pm
Posted by GatorReb
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 12:43 pm to
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Also this year we have Brunetti who can run the offense somewhat. We also would have Kincade as well. Next year even if Wallace were to return we'd be left with Miller who just doesnt seem to be a SEC QB with no experience and two RS QBs with no experience.


Exactly. This year we do have BB. So we have a starter in Bo and backup in BB.

So then in trash time who plays? Do you just skip BB and go straight to Devante? Then if Bo gets hurt you have BB that hasn't been getting playing time and Devante as a true freshman.

I
quote:

I understand the extra year argument but what are we saving years for


Saving years for the future. That's how you build a team, and a program. I don't know about you but I would like some long term success for us. Not just a year here or there.

Now don't get me wrong. When it comes to Devante red shirting if the coaches feel that at ANY POINT in this coming season he alone has a chance to win us a game he needs to play. But I do not think there is a single game this season that him playing or not will matter in the outcome of a game.

And the "experience" that he will get in week 2 in trash time against SE Mizz does not equal enough benefit to bypass a redshirt.

Cause fact of the matter is. We play a tough schedule. We are going to be in a lot of close games and after SE Mizz there isn't gonna be much trash time for him to play in IMO.
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 1:26 pm to
I'd much rather build the program by having one guy that is somewhat "ready" to play. I say have BB as a third option if things just went horrible and Kincade and Bo both got injured.(At that point it wouldnt really matter anyway who was at QB)

There is also SE Mizz, Idaho, Troy, and generally one or two SEC games where the game is decided (good or bad) where the backup can play.

Also in 2014 if Bo does come back he comes back with a kid that is pushing him. Who has played and who wants to start. Thats how you develop a position.

There is really no right or wrong answer like you stated though.
Posted by Quicksilver
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 1:28 pm to
I think something else to be considered is the fact that Kincade is a twig who looks more like a slot WR than a QB.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 5/18/13 at 1:29 pm to
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I think something else to be considered is the fact that Kincade is a twig who looks more like a slot WR than a QB.



Prime example of why he needs a RS year. That way he can bulk up.
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