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Posted on 4/26/13 at 7:49 am to Slippery Slope
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How do you dispose of tattered figs?
I give up. How?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:14 am to Alahunter
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So start addressing it the way it needs to be and have people work together on it. Rather than divide and try to force differing moral beliefs on each other.
That's the issue. Since we're talking mostly religious based opposition that's not going to happen.
The reality is religion and morals shouldn't even be a factor but it is.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:16 am to robby1220
I meant flags.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:19 am to Slippery Slope
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How do you dispose of tattered figs?
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Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:27 am to Slippery Slope
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I meant flags
Damn, I thought we were about to start telling gay jokes.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:27 am to UMRealist
Never seen that version of that gif. Going to add that one to my collection.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 8:57 am to robby1220
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Morality should have absolutely nothing to do with it. Whether I think it is okay to be gay and whether 2 men should legally be allowed to get married, 2 totally different subjects.
If you take out morality from laws, you'd have to allow consensual incest as well. You'd also have to allow marriage with incestual relationships. Marriage, throughout human history was a religious event.
It should remain a strictly religious event. If individuals wish to engage in a contract giving another person certain rights over their estate, medical issues, and the likes.. that's another thing. And every person can do that, now.
The Gov't should be out of the marriage business, and deciding on tax breaks because of habitation with another person. Just because they're wrong in how they do things now, doesn't mean they should broaden the mistake.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:06 am to Alahunter
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It should remain a strictly religious event
But it's not. That's my whole point here.
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If you take out morality from laws, you'd have to allow consensual incest as well. You'd also have to allow marriage with incestual relationships.
If it's consentual and both parties are of age then I don't give a frick what 2 people do together, be it 2 men, a dad and his daughter, a woman and her 3rd cousin who is also female, whatever. Just because something isn't right for me doesn't mean I don't want anyone else doing it either, and it certainly doesn't mean I think it should be illegal.
I'm a recovering alcoholic but that doesn't mean I want to bring back prohibition. I don't want a drink, but I don't give a frick if you have one.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:09 am to robby1220
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But it's not. That's my whole point here.
As I said, making a problem bigger isn't the answer. It's like gun control and crime. Everyone wants to "fix" the wrong thing. Address the mistake, don't make it bigger to make some people "feel" better.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:10 am to Randy1375
Don't know if I necessarily support or don't support them but I see it as being disgusting and sinful. Freezus has taught me that we are all sinful so who am I to judge gays because of it being a sin?
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Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:11 am to robby1220
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I don't give a frick what 2 people do together, be it 2 men, a dad and his daughter, a woman and her 3rd cousin who is also female, whatever
So you think a dad and his daughter should be able to get married and be recognized as such by the Gov't? Or a brother and sister? Or a brother and brother?
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:21 am to labamafan
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f this is not just a flame it is absolutely incorrect and my guess is you've never actually listened to the church's stance on marriage.
Just taking it straight out of the bible.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:22 am to Alahunter
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Address the mistake, don't make it bigger to make some people "feel" better.
So, you think that the government should just "back out" of the marriage business altogether? frick, so do I. I think they should back out of a LOT of things that they've wormed their way into. But that just isn't going to happen. At least barring a major uprising and restructuring effort the likes of which gay marriage probably wouldn't be a major issue in either.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:25 am to robby1220
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So, you think that the government should just "back out" of the marriage business altogether? frick, so do I
See. Agreement.
It could change, if this was addressed by both sides. Focus efforts on where there is agreement, and work on fixing what's broken. Instead of taking the, "well, they're doing it, I should be able to too", approach.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 9:25 am to Alahunter
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So you think a dad and his daughter should be able to get married and be recognized as such by the Gov't? Or a brother and sister? Or a brother and brother?
Morally? Oh God no.
Legally? <sigh> Yes, by the very basis of my argument that gay people legally should be allowed to marry I have to also say I believe incestual marriages should be legal.
Anything else would be a double standard.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:02 am to robby1220
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Yes, by the very basis of my argument that gay people legally should be allowed to marry I have to also say I believe incestual marriages should be legal.
There is a danger to potential offspring in an incestuous relationship that doesn't exist within a gay one. It's not an apples to apples comparison. The government does have a place to say "No" on that front.
Random observation: Marriage does not mean the same thing to the government as it does in a religious setting. Simple example: You can get a divorce in a civil marriage. Catholic marriages, not so simple.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:39 am to Duke
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There is a danger to potential offspring in an incestuous relationship that doesn't exist within a gay one. It's not an apples to apples comparison. The government does have a place to say "No" on that front.
Oh good. I was looking for an escape from my own damn logic on that one.
Posted on 4/26/13 at 10:40 am to Duke
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