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re: tOfficial "Alahunter is Insufferable" thread
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:30 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:30 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Uh, there are tons of cases where pimps inject heroin into their child slaves/prostitutes to get them hooked on it. There's not always a choice
Touche. I suppose there are situations that gastric bypass isn't done because of overeating, as well...
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This choice is not always available to everyone -- you don't quit being a pedophile like you quit smoking
You make a choice to eliminate all temptations and remove even the remote possibility of being able to act on that desire though.
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In the same way that you don't just suddenly stop being depressed
I would say it would depend on the depth of that depression. For some, a light may click and they realize that it is within their ability to change and move forward in life. Others, a spiritual awakening and others still, may need more.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:31 am to Alahunter
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There's a lot of people I would, for various reasons. There's a huge difference in associates and friends.
I do not think that I can adequately express my feelings over this conversation in words any longer. I'm gonna give Edward Norton a shot:
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:33 am to Alahunter
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Not really. There are a lot of people over the years I quit associating with for various reasons. That's not exactly keeping them as friends or accepting their behavior.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:33 am to Alahunter
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You make a choice to eliminate all temptations and remove even the remote possibility of being able to act on that desire though.
And then what? Suffer in silence? Live a life without even the psychological comfort of a confidant? This is what we're talking about.
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For some, a light may click
A guarantee you that depression is not something that can be dealt with by "a light clicking on."
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:34 am to Alahunter
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I smoked for 17 years. My vice. Stupid decision. Harmed myself doing so, perhaps others around me. I will eventually live with the consequences of that decision.
You probably won't suffer any consequences from the smoking if you maintain a healthy lifestyle from now on. You're still young enough for your body to mend the harm that smoking did.
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But when I quit, I did so by making a choice to and then removed myself from areas that would lead to the temptation to continue to do so.
Here's the crux of your misunderstanding of this issue, IMO. The temptation to have sex is in your mind, not your environment. If there's no person available with whom we can have sex as we desire it, our imagination and a hand will do.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:34 am to Alahunter
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You make a choice to eliminate all temptations and remove even the remote possibility of being able to act on that desire though.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:34 am to Roger Klarvin
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We use science in some form or fashion to treat almost anything you could conceivably call a sin.
You failed to reply to the question of if science has also been used to harm as well. And you brought up the surgery aspect. It can help and it can harm.
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Ironically, even "straight camps" where they "pray the gay away" employ pseudoscience to try and correct what they see as deviant behavior
Didn't science once employ electric shock to treat homosexuality and deviant behavior?
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An untreated schizophrenic isn't making rational choices in a right frame of mind.
Again, they choose to medicate, or not to medicate..correct?
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You paint things so black and white that it makes it impossible to see the grey
Sometimes, grey is used to avoid dealing with hard choices and consequences that need to be dealt with.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:36 am to Alahunter
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Again, they choose to medicate, or not to medicate..correct?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:37 am to TbirdSpur2010
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For the umpteenth time, nobody in this thread is advocating accepting child molestation, only that there needs to be more holistic support for those who admit to those leanings than straight up ostracization.
I feel like I just said that
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He'll be convicted and punished, which is appropriate,
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Not excusing his actions
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this guy... Not so much. I think both are wrong FTR (children in a whole different level
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His actions are inexcusable but honestly
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Absolutely. And I think acting on both are wrong and immoral. Not justifiying.
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Nobody is saying child molesters aren't bad people who made bad choices.
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He's saying their sexual tastes are as ineluctable as straight or gay persons, not that their actions are uncontrollable.
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I think the majority of people arguing against you have been unbelievably lucid in detailing how this is not condoned.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:38 am to Alahunter
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Sometimes, grey is used to avoid dealing with hard choices and consequences that need to be dealt with.
throws up hands
I give up
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:38 am to Alahunter
Alahunter, give me the shovel brother. Let's not dig our way to China.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:39 am to Alahunter
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I would say it would depend on the depth of that depression. For some, a light may click and they realize that it is within their ability to change and move forward in life. Others, a spiritual awakening and others still, may need more.
You have no idea what you're talking about regarding depression.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:40 am to Alahunter
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Again, they choose to medicate, or not to medicate..correct?
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Sometimes, grey is used to avoid dealing with hard choices and consequences that need to be dealt with.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:42 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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quote: You have no idea what you're talking about regarding depression.
Amen, brother. Nobody who has ever experienced depression can think of it lightly. Depression is the dark corners of the human mind.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:42 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Only because no Edward Norton gif thread is complete without it:
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:43 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:43 am to UMRealist
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Tell me something hunter. What would you do if your best friend since birth came to you tomorrow and said, "Alahunter I need to talk to you. My entire life I have been sexually attracted to little kids. I've never done anything, but I really really want to. I'm totally miserable and I hate myself every single day for the way I feel."?
1. Go over my entire life trying to think if he ever did anything to contradict his claim of never acting on it.
2. Tell his family so that they can make any choices needed to help either him, or young ones in that family.
3. Ask him what he intends to do and recommend counseling with local preacher and any further he thinks will help.
4. Distance myself a great deal.
(That scenario doesn't quite work though, as you get older, and people have families you will find your close childhood friendships become more distance anyways.)
Also, some folks are more of the loner type and have a fairly small circle of friends to begin with, which as you age, tends to get smaller. Things are quite the same in your 40's, as they are as a teen or early 20's. Most are really acquaintances as you look back in time.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:45 am to TbirdSpur2010
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And then what? Suffer in silence? Live a life without even the psychological comfort of a confidant? This is what we're talking about.
As stated many times in this thread.. not all people are wired the same. Not all people suffer in silence in solitude, nor need the emotional and psychological attachment and need that others do.
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A guarantee you that depression is not something that can be dealt with by "a light clicking on."
You don't think there are different levels of depression?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:47 am to Kentucker
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The temptation to have sex is in your mind
Trust me.. the temptation of smoking was in my mind, a lot longer than the physical need and the environment I was in. But eliminating the physical environment and physical areas, helped a great deal.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:47 am to Alahunter
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As stated many times in this thread.. not all people are wired the same. Not all people suffer in silence in solitude, nor need the emotional and psychological attachment and need that others do.
And the ones that do?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:47 am to Alahunter
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1. Go over my entire life trying to think if he ever did anything to contradict his claim of never acting on it.
2. Tell his family so that they can make any choices needed to help either him, or young ones in that family.
3. Ask him what he intends to do and recommend counseling with local preacher and any further he thinks will help.
4. Distance myself a great deal.
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