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re: tOfficial "Alahunter is Insufferable" thread
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:09 am to Alahunter
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:09 am to Alahunter
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they just can't remove temptation
No, they can't because it's a disorder.
Although what causes pedophilia is not yet known, beginning in 2002, researchers began reporting a series of findings linking pedophilia with brain structure and function. Testing individuals from a variety of referral sources inside and outside the criminal justice system as well as controls, these studies found associations between pedophilia and lower IQs,[74][75][76] poorer scores on memory tests,[75] greater rates of non-right-handedness,[74][75][77][78] greater rates of school grade failure over and above the IQ differences,[79] lesser physical height,[80] greater probability of having suffered childhood head injuries resulting in unconsciousness,[81][82] and several differences in MRI-detected brain structures.[83][84][85] They report that their findings suggest that there are one or more neurological characteristics present at birth that cause or increase the likelihood of being pedophilic. Evidence of familial transmittability "suggests, but does not prove that genetic factors are responsible" for the development of pedophilia.[86]
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:10 am to Alahunter
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Science can't fix morality and sin.
You realize we frequently treat drug and alcohol addicts with "science", right? We treat obesity and gluttony with all sorts of science. Sex addicts? Yep, treated with mysterious and voodoo science.
Unless you are willing to claim that so and so didn't really lose 150 pounds because of gastric bypass, or that methadone didn't allow so and so to successfully get past their heroine addiction, then you don't have a leg to stand on here and just made an ignorant statement without thinking it through. Moreover, I doubt you are willing to condemn schizophrenics who do something in a state of psychosis to Hell.
You are being selective with your reasoning and not applying it universally, and it's making for some pretty ugly holes in your ideas.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:10 am to Alahunter
frick you dude. Either you are trolling or you are just naturally dense. In either case frick you.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:11 am to Kentucker
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It's not a choice and it's most definitely not simple
It is to act on them. And it is that simple.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:13 am to Alahunter
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Well.. its not exactly a vice.
Now you're getting nitpicky
Criminal/immoral behavior can indeed be vices, but there are many vices that aren't criminal. This ain't a zero sum game quote:
Reminds me of the homosexual movement. It was once thought of as immoral and detrimental, but enough societal acceptance and helping folks deal with their "vice", has made it mainstream and acceptable. Not sure that's the best route to go with pedophilia as well.
I'm no supporter of homosexual marriage (although I'm a big proponent of live and let live), but whether we agree with what the best route is to "deal" with either issue as a society, I think we can agree on the fact that the status quo vis a vis gay movement as compared to pedophilia is woefully lacking when it comes to support for the latter.
And by support, I mean support in dealing with making sure their proclivities do not harm those around them, not support for child molestation.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:14 am to Alahunter
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It is to act on them. And it is that simple.
And, as has already been stated by everyone in here numerous times, no one is condoning acting upon them.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:17 am to Roger Klarvin
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Unless you are willing to claim that so and so didn't really lose 150 pounds because of gastric bypass,
I know of several people who had serious medical issues due to this procedure. Many deaths attributable to it as well.
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and just made an ignorant statement without thinking it through
Science can't cure everything, and using physical surgeries as examples for "mental" issues, isn't exactly comparing apples to oranges.
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. Moreover, I doubt you are willing to condemn schizophrenics who do something in a state of psychosis to Hell.
Schizo's when diagnoses, choose or choose not to medicate, do they not?
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You are being selective with your reasoning and not applying it universally, and it's making for some pretty ugly holes in your ideas
Science definitely has made progress in helping the human condition, no doubt. But it's also been used to harm it, has it not?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:17 am to Roger Klarvin
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You realize we frequently treat drug and alcohol addicts with "science", right? We treat obesity and gluttony with all sorts of science. Sex addicts? Yep, treated with mysterious and voodoo science.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:18 am to Alahunter
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Cheating is not an acceptable outlet within a marriage
But sex is, which is the point. He has an outlet for his biological desire to have sex with a woman.
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and portions of society will accept him, sure. But that doesn't make it any less immoral or damaging.
Morality has nothing to do with it here, it's about having access to a system (any system) that allows for something other than social shunning.
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So, the more that do it, makes it more acceptable? We just don't have enough pedo's now?
The only person here throwing around the word acceptable is you. The point is that adulterers are perfectly capable of being normal, functioning members of society and have large groups of friends who all are aware of their adultery. A pedophile, even one who has done nothing wrong, doesnt have this opportunity. He cant have a support system of people who know about him and accept his decision to get past his problem.
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To my knowledge and hopefully forever... none.
And that's the point, you would befriend an adulterer but not a pedophile. It matters not whether the pedophile has overcome his desires, even the mention of any such thoughts in the past would cause you to shun him. You are literally proving my point for me.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:19 am to Alahunter
Dude, your illusion that everyone is as sound of mind as you when making a decision is making you look unbelievably uneducated.
Heroin addiction? Shhhhiiiiet. Just quit! I stopped chewing bubble gum, you can get off the heroin.
Heroin addiction? Shhhhiiiiet. Just quit! I stopped chewing bubble gum, you can get off the heroin.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:19 am to Alahunter
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Science definitely has made progress in helping the human condition, no doubt. But it's also been used to harm it, has it not?
This is really neither here nor there.
I fear this thread is about to spin off into irrelevant territory
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:19 am to Roger Klarvin
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And that's the point, you would befriend an adulterer but not a pedophile
That's a pretty large assumption there.
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It matters not whether the pedophile has overcome his desires, even the mention of any such thoughts in the past would cause you to shun him.
There's a lot of people I would, for various reasons. There's a huge difference in associates and friends.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:22 am to Alahunter
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There's a huge difference in associates and friends.
Oh. My. God.
The hair splitting is beginning to get incredible
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:23 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Dude, your illusion that everyone is as sound of mind as you when making a decision is making you look unbelievably uneducated. Heroin addiction? Shhhhiiiiet. Just quit! I stopped chewing bubble gum, you can get off the heroin
One has a choice to put that needle in the first time. Hard to quit? Probably pretty damn hard from what I understand. Tough shite. DWI.
I smoked for 17 years. My vice. Stupid decision. Harmed myself doing so, perhaps others around me. I will eventually live with the consequences of that decision. But when I quit, I did so by making a choice to and then removed myself from areas that would lead to the temptation to continue to do so.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:24 am to TbirdSpur2010
Not really. There are a lot of people over the years I quit associating with for various reasons. That's not exactly keeping them as friends or accepting their behavior.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:25 am to Alahunter
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One has a choice to put that needle in the first time. Hard to quit? Probably pretty damn hard from what I understand. Tough shite. DWI.
Uh, there are tons of cases where pimps inject heroin into their child slaves/prostitutes to get them hooked on it. There's not always a choice.
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I smoked for 17 years. My vice. Stupid decision. Harmed myself doing so, perhaps others around me. I will eventually live with the consequences of that decision. But when I quit, I did so by making a choice to and then removed myself from areas that would lead to the temptation to continue to do so.
This choice is not always available to everyone -- you don't quit being a pedophile like you quit smoking.
In the same way that you don't just suddenly stop being depressed.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:25 am to Alahunter
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It is to act on them. And it is that simple.
You can choose not to eat or sleep for a week, too. However, it'll kill you.
You can't ignore your sex drive without mental consequences any more than you can the other two and the resulting physical consequences.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:26 am to Alahunter
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I know of several people who had serious medical issues due to this procedure. Many deaths attributable to it as well.
Completely, totally and utterly irrelevant. Possibly the biggest red herring I've ever seen.
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Science can't cure everything, and using physical surgeries as examples for "mental" issues, isn't exactly comparing apples to oranges.
Who said anything about curing? It's about treating, and you conveniently ignored the fact that addiction (psychological and physiological in nature) is treated with "science". You claimed science cannot fix "sin", or immoral behavior. You were wrong, flat out, undeniably wrong. We use science in some form or fashion to treat almost anything you could conceivably call a sin.
Ironically, even "straight camps" where they "pray the gay away" employ pseudoscience to try and correct what they see as deviant behavior. The camps employ powerful psychological principles and techniques developed by scientists and physicians to treat real conditions to effectively brainwash kids. Hypnosis is actually a common technique used. Even your own kind try (and fail, but they do try) to exploit science to fix sin.
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Schizo's when diagnoses, choose or choose not to medicate, do they not?
An untreated schizophrenic isn't making rational choices in a right frame of mind. You paint things so black and white that it makes it impossible to see the grey.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:27 am to Alahunter
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That's not exactly keeping them as friends or accepting their behavior.
For the umpteenth time, nobody in this thread is advocating accepting child molestation, only that there needs to be more holistic support for those who admit to those leanings than straight up ostracization.
I feel like I just said that
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:28 am to Alahunter
Tell me something hunter. What would you do if your best friend since birth came to you tomorrow and said, "Alahunter I need to talk to you. My entire life I have been sexually attracted to little kids. I've never done anything, but I really really want to. I'm totally miserable and I hate myself every single day for the way I feel."?
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