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re: The New Testament

Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:08 pm to
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If you can't handle me at my Old Testament
You don't deserve me at my New Testament


I don't comment on these threads, and this is a good one btw. I try to let the OP have his thread and not distract from it by being present and drawing attention away from the point or question the OP asks. But holy shite what a funny comment this was. And so true.

But keep in mind. If I didn't post the way I post, people would be giving this young man a hard time for the question he's asking.

But they're not. And it's because they know they could be getting it so much worse. And because that, they're now open to actually listening to critisim about their bible.
Because of me, the OP is truly connecting with the audience...
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4424 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

Jesus said nothing on homosexuality


HELLLLOOOO.... The Bible says PLENTY about homosexuality (and all other perversions of sexuality). It calls gay-ness unnatural and an abomination. It says man is not to lie with man (in a biblical way). God scalded, burned, evaporated, disintegrated the cities of Sodom and Gammorah because of it... and then turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt because she even glanced back at it.

I think it's very, very, very clear where God lands on this issue... and since Jesus is God, as someone posted before me, I think everyone knew exactly where he stood when he was here in the flesh.

People absolutely turn a blind eye to how obvious this all is bc it also punches a lot of holes in the whole "well I cant help it, I was born this way" justification. It is a choice, and while God loves everyone, I believe he also holds us all responsible for the sin we choose to live in and roll around in. But he also knows we are imperfect and will sin from time to time. That's the whole reason Jesus came in the first place. To provide a sacrifice for our sin so we can find forgiveness and righteousness through him, and find strength to conquer our sinful natures and freedom to do what is right.

Just the way I see it.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
5675 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:16 pm to
Alright sorry, I'm gonna have to clear this up and then I'll get outta here.

Dude, you need some understanding on the question being asked. He's asking why Jesus himself (think red letters) didn't talk about homosexuality very much (at all) and why the bible's stance on it seems to be so much from one particular author of the New Testament. Very valid question.

Everything else you mentioned about pillers of salt and stuff is make believe.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4424 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:27 pm to
Well, unlike you, I happen to believe the entire Bible Old and New testaments instead of picking and choosing what I want. Based on the history of God's (his) judgement for the sin, I think everyone knew where he stood. That's my answer.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
5675 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

I happen to believe the entire Bible Old and New testaments instead of picking and choosing what I want.


You've made a very strong claim. So I guess you're down with this from, oh I don't know, this completely random couple verses from the book of Deuteronomy? lol.

quote:


Deuteronomy 22: 20-21
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.



Sorry OP, it's yours after this guy. I oblige those who want to embarrass themselves by siding with stoners (the biblical kind, not the kind kind. I like those stoners.)
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 2:41 pm
Posted by SECMAN16
Member since Nov 2010
125 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

Sorry OP, it's yours after this guy. I oblige those who want to embarrass themselves by siding with stoners (the biblical kind, not the kind kind. I like those stoners.


to the OP: the simple answer is that the entire Bible is God's inerrant word. Whether it is Jesus being quoted in one of the gospels or whether it is a letter written by Paul to a church, it is all equally inerrant and all the word of God.

To Stacked: I still dont get your point. I believe in the whole bible, yet I dont believe we are called to stone women who have premarital sex.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4424 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:18 pm to
That was under the mosaic covenant, and if you really were as well-versed in Christianity as you like to crow about, you would know that. When Jesus came, the mosaic law was completed and the law of grace we see after Christ's resurrection ensued. That's like Christianity 101, dude. That still, by the way, has no bearing on how God feels about homosexuality. Even the sin of fornication for which you brought the whole Deuteronomy verses up remain a sin. The only thing that changed with the law of grace is the punishment for the sin (Ye who are without sin cast the first stone). So, you're attempt to "get me" only shows your own ignorance on the subject.

I'm really starting to question you integrity on the claim you make of going to seminary and being a 30+ year "Christian", stacked.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:25 pm to
The Bible is the most cherry picked doctrine ever.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4424 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:33 pm to
That's why it needs to be accepted in its entirety or rejected completely. God said to be either hot or cold. If you try to be lukewarm about his law, he will spew you from his mouth. He can't do much with a fence-sitter who lives in their own delusion of taking what tickles their ears and rejecting what doesn't. Man's wisdom is flawed BC we use it to justify our own sin. God's law, however, sets a standard that we measure ourselves against, realize we need Jesus to live up to them, and lean on him for redemption, salvation from our sin, and righteousness through him alone.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
5675 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:33 pm to
Don't get mad at me. You're the one who said you believe you should stone girls for not being virgins when they're married. You don't get to say you believe the Old Testament but not some of the verses. That's called cherry picking and it's proof you in fact DON'T believe the things in the Old Testament.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
5675 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

I believe in the whole bible, yet I dont believe we are called to stone women


Sounds like you don't believe the whole bible then.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
5675 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

to the OP: the simple answer is that the entire Bible is God's inerrant word. Whether it is Jesus being quoted in one of the gospels or whether it is a letter written by Paul to a church, it is all equally inerrant and all the word of God


Spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4424 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:46 pm to
Re-read my post - slower this time and with a measure of thought. I'm far from being mad at ya, dude. I'm trying to explain a basic concept of God's word to you that any educated Christian should know. Instead of getting mad and trolling like a little kid, you need to think about what I'm saying.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
6925 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:52 pm to
Reads egregious Old Testament verse or passage

"Nah man, that's Mosaic law. We don't have to pay any attention to that kind of uncomfortable stuff, much less follow it"

"Because remember all those very specific, incontrovertible, 100% crystal clear quotes from Jesus where he unmistakably-and certainly not just an interpretation to gloss over a giant hole in our confounded theology-said 'Yall can disregard all those rules and laws and stuff.' He said it like a thousand times."
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 3:54 pm
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55303 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:07 pm to
All he does is troll
Posted by SECMAN16
Member since Nov 2010
125 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:12 pm to
Before Jesus, God's chosen people consisted of a nation-state. Just like there is punishment for breaking US law, there was punishment for breaking the levitican laws.

Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4424 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:33 pm to
As I said, sin still is sin no matter where in the Bible you go.

Everything in the Bible points towards the cross and what it truly means - that includes the mosaic law and law of grace (which is a completion of God's law, not an amendment to it as you imply I'm saying):

Sin is sin is sin. We face death both spiritual (hell) and physical as a result of our sin. Thats the payment we must make for our sin. Jesus loves us so much that can does not want us to have to pay eternally (hell) for our own sin. That's why he came, he is the only one who could be that unblemished perfect sacrifice (payment) for us - "without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sin". He shed his own blood, died, and conquered death and hell through his resurrection so we would not have to go to hell for our own payment for sin. However, even though his gift of sacrifice made available through his grace to us is free, just like any gift it must be accepted by the one offered to. That's where the concept of "getting saved" comes in. Because he gave his creation free will, we have to make a choice to accept or deny him. If you choose to not pay it any attention at all, that's still denial, by the way. In order to make that choice, we need to realize there's a choice that needs to be made (our need for him). This is why the Holy Spirit is here, to convict (make aware) us of our need. When we A) believe the truth of what he did and who he is, B) confess our sin and need for his redemption and C) receive the gift of his sacrifice and resurrection, then the Bible says we will be saved (forgiven, redeemed, and fellowship re-established with him forever as our father, king, and Lord). We will become a new (not sinless- BC we are still flesh) creature in our heart, mind, spirit, and soul. Everything in the Bible is a representation of his love for us, his view of sin, and is founded upon obtaining his redemption and God letting us know how we are to act, relate, and represent him as Christians to the rest of the world. He doesn't want anyone to go to hell, but he will not take away our free will to keep that from happening.

The harsh consequences in the mosaic law was a picture of us having to pay for our own sin. The Grace in the new testament is a picture of what we can have through the salvation (sacrifice, payment, and redemption) he provides.

Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
5675 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:35 pm to
Does nobody else think it's just a little suspicious that 1. God created everyone, but 2. had a favorite among them, and 3. It's the people that are telling you the story that God has a favorite people?
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 4:38 pm
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4424 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

Spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle spackle.


This seems to be the mantra you like to use to corner Christians, but the truth is it is exactly what you are doing. Maybe w/O even realizing it, you are trying to spackle your own pitted wall with false truths and faulty justification to make you feel better about your own sin.
Posted by SECMAN16
Member since Nov 2010
125 posts
Posted on 6/24/16 at 4:46 pm to
quote:

Does nobody else think it's just a little suspicious that 1. God created everyone, but 2. had a favorite among them, and 3. It's the people that are telling you the story that God has a favorite people?


it certainly requires faith
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