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re: The cost of Obamacare... supporters of it.. please feel free to chime in
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:19 pm to the808bass
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:19 pm to the808bass
Not really. Employer provided plans have been providing maternity care for male employees for years, and not a peep from anyone. This is a ridiculous criticism and it muddies the water on honest debate over the law. There are plenty of problems with it that could be addressed.
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:23 pm to The Spleen
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Not really. Employer provided plans have been providing maternity care for male employees for years, and not a peep from anyone. This is a ridiculous criticism and it muddies the water on honest debate over the law. There are plenty of problems with it that could be addressed.
It's not a ridiculous criticism. Did it drive up costs in the individual market? Yup. Ergo, valid criticism.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:27 pm to Stonehog
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I don't have an ounce of sympathy for a rich person bitching about $300.
Actually if you include the deductible its about $6300 a year. if I were to have a procedure it would cost even more than that because of the lesser coverage.
So if its no big deal, just spot me each year for the rest of my life.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:29 pm to The Spleen
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Not really. Employer provided plans have been providing maternity care for male employees for years, and not a peep from anyone. This is a ridiculous criticism and it muddies the water on honest debate over the law. There are plenty of problems with it that could be addressed.
There is huge difference in the cost and coverage on the end user for private insurance vs employer provided and more so, large corporate provided
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:47 pm to NYCAuburn
Notice how Stonehog hasn't addressed how Obamacare is good, he just writes a blurb that is misdirection.
Truth is all that Obamacare has done thus far could have been done if the insurance companies were deregulated and could compete outside state lines. Plus everyone's insurance would have gone down.
Finally, there still isn't a solution to free healthcare. Where did that go? Everyone is still paying. I thought we were going to have free healthcare like Canada and the UK
Truth is all that Obamacare has done thus far could have been done if the insurance companies were deregulated and could compete outside state lines. Plus everyone's insurance would have gone down.
Finally, there still isn't a solution to free healthcare. Where did that go? Everyone is still paying. I thought we were going to have free healthcare like Canada and the UK
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:56 pm to Charlestondawg
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I thought we were going to have free healthcare like Canada and the UK
Good friend of mine owns a defense contracting company and currently lives in London. Because he does business with the UK gov, and pays taxes over there, he is provided the UK healthcare. Had a medical issue this past summer, was finally able to make it through the lottery and got to a doctor in late September. Doc says we cant help you until it becomes more life threatening, you should try some herbal/natural remedies and such. Friend ask what do you recommend. Doc says, oh no i cant tell you anything like that
I dont know which is worse free healthcare or obama care
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:02 pm to Stonehog
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People without health insurance are getting it, that must really piss you off for some reason.
It was called the "affordable" care act. The vast majority of people buying it had insurance before--and they were paying more now, with higher out of pocket and deductible costs.
There is nothing affordable about Obamacare. And the millions upon millions of uninsured are still about 90% uninsured.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:12 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:I have heard so many anecdotal stories like this that follow the same pattern and can't be corroborated by anything I can't help but think bullshite when I hear one
Good friend of mine owns a defense contracting company and currently lives in London.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:15 pm to MIZ_COU
Shouldn't a larger number of anecdotal stories going following a similar pattern give more weight to each individual story as it now follows what appears to be a recognizable trend?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:16 pm to MIZ_COU
well, this isnt a friend of a friend. this is straight from his mouth when I saw him over Christmas. So think its BS all you want, except the fact its true
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:17 pm to Grievous Angel
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The vast majority of people buying it had insurance before
This is so wrong it's almost comical. 9.3 million people have signed up for Obamacare, about 9 million of those people didn't have health insurance before the ACA.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:20 pm to Stonehog
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9.3 million people have signed up for Obamacare, about 9 million of those people didn't have health insurance before the ACA.
might want to check your numbers
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:22 pm to Stonehog
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This is so wrong it's almost comical. 9.3 million people have signed up for Obamacare, about 9 million of those people didn't have health insurance before the ACA.
Accuracy isn't your strong suit. So I'll just copy your post for the inevitable edit.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:22 pm to Charlestondawg
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Truth is all that Obamacare has done thus far could have been done if the insurance companies were deregulated and could compete outside state lines. Plus everyone's insurance would have gone down.
You think we could have forced private insurance companies to start accepting people with pre-existing conditions? That's a major part of Obamacare that keeps getting overlooked. You can't be denied for pre-existing conditions.
Insurance companies are fricking vultures, I can't believe how many people blindly support them just because they hate Obama.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:25 pm to NYCAuburn
If my numbers are wrong then please, correct me.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:26 pm to Stonehog
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You think we could have forced private insurance companies to start accepting people with pre-existing conditions? That's a major part of Obamacare that keeps getting overlooked. You can't be denied for pre-existing conditions.
Congrats on not understanding the concept of insurance.
If I open a buffet and charge $5.99 for the buffet and the average person eats $10 worth of food, I will go broke. If an insurance company knows that a diabetic with CHF and asthma is going to incur an average of $3000 of medical care a month, there's no reason to give them insurance for $250/month.
I don't know why people expect insurance companies to do things they would never personally do.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:28 pm to NYCAuburn
So he said he said. Sounds like a very unlucky guy.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:28 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:30 pm to Stonehog
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If my numbers are wrong then please, correct me.
Well Im guessing you got it from the RAND survey, since they are stating 9.3 million as well. Here are a few quotes from the survey
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For example, while we estimate 9.3 million individuals become newly insured, the margin of error is 3.5 million people.
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Although a total of 3.9 million people enrolled in marketplace plans, only 1.4 million of these individuals were previously uninsured
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The 9.3 million person increase in insurance is driven not only by enrollment in marketplace plans, but also by gains in employer-sponsored insurance (ESI) and Medicaid.
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Of those who were previously uninsured but are now insured, 7.2 million gained ESI, 3.6 million are now covered by Medicaid, 1.4 million have signed up through a marketplace, while the remainder gained coverage through other sources.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/11/14 at 2:30 pm to the808bass
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RAND’s figures don’t take into account the last few weeks of the Obamacare open enrollment period
Which is when the majority of people signed up.
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