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Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:24 pm to sorantable
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Justice is not murder. If you've been convicted of an incredibly heinous crime, you forfeit all rights to the state in my book. That includes the right to life.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:24 pm to Bama Bird
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No. Murder rates have gone down substantially in the last 20 years (LINK ), despite more states moving to abolish the death penalty,
Correlation =/ Causation
Murder rates have gone down due to decreasing gang membership, higher high school graduation rates, decreased small scale drug trafficking and increasing odds of being caught due to modern surveillence and DNA techniques.
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If there is a death penalty, there are some innocent people that are going to die for crimes they did not commit. This may be 1 person or it may be 1,000 people. I'm one who would rather 100,000 murderers live their lives and die of natural causes in prison than to definitively end one innocent person's life.
There has never been one documentated conclusive case of a person being proven innocent after being put to death in the United States. Not one.
We don't kill people we arent sure about. It's why people on death row are given every opportunity to appeal, and some have worked due to even the smallest technicalities.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:27 pm to Slippery Slope
You're " caught in the act" was a great addition as well. So many murderers are caught in the act. 
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:27 pm to sorantable
Exacting just punishment is not murder. In one of the two situatiosn you raise, one was a victim the other had it coming to them. Not hard to understand.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:30 pm to Bama Bird
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Not to mention the fact that Jesus himself blatantly rejected "eye for an eye"
Selective quotation and lack of contextual understanding of the Bible is nothing more than an appeal to those who lack understanding of the book.
Jesus was not, nor did he ever, condemn the death penalty or any form of state punishment. Telling people to deny eye for an eye and turn the other cheek was in reference to the jews right of the day to take life for almost any crime. His advice was that, while you had the RIGHT to do it, individuals should forgive and turn the other cheek. It has nothing to do with the state punishing heinous crimes.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:31 pm to nc14
Who is anybody to say that "just punishment" is death though? That's the main issue I have with it
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Selective quotation and lack of contextual understanding of the Bible is nothing more than an appeal to those who lack understanding of the book.
I say the same thing to you.
And on an earlier note, LINK
John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:32 pm to sorantable
Support it. You can't sit there and tell me the bastard(s) responsible for today don't deserve the death penalty.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:33 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:At the end of the day, I don't want their blood on my hands. Even if they're wretched human beings.
Support it. You can't sit there and tell me the bastard(s) responsible for today don't deserve the death penalty.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:34 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Slope can, they weren't caught in the act.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:34 pm to sorantable
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Either murder is murder or it isn't and if it isn't, then why are we murdering people for murdering people?
Murder is the UNLAWFUL taking of one's life. The death penalty by it's very definition cannot be murder as it is sanctioned by the state. A "legal murder" is an oxymoron.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:34 pm to Bama Bird
quote:this and it costs taxpayers less money to let them be raped for the rest of their lives as the appeal system, especially in regards to those facing the DP, costs more than three hots and a cot for a few decades.
Oppose it, even though some probably deserve it. If you oppose abortion, I feel you have to oppose the DP
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:34 pm to TT9
I'm sorry you disagree with me, but I understand that people have different opinions.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Murder is the UNLAWFUL taking of one's life. The death penalty by it's very definition cannot be murder as it is sanctioned by the state. A "legal murder" is an oxymoron.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Murder is the UNLAWFUL taking of one's life. The death penalty by it's very definition cannot be murder as it is sanctioned by the state. A "legal murder" is an oxymoron.
Congratulations. You just exonerated Hitler
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:37 pm to sorantable
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At the end of the day, I don't want their blood on my hands. Even if they're wretched human beings.
You would rather see someone live that killed children and maimed dozens of others than have the only justifiable punishment passed down? Sorry, I respectfully disagree.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:38 pm to Bama Bird
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Congratulations. You just exonerated Hitler
Now there's trouble in river city.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:38 pm to Bama Bird
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Congratulations. You just exonerated Hitler
The "lawful" killing of a person is one of the more convoluted things I've ever heard of.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:39 pm to sorantable
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The "lawful" killing of a person is one of the more convoluted things I've ever heard of.
You can't sit there and tell me child rapists deserve to live.
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