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re: Racist or Not Racist?

Posted on 4/26/15 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 4:50 pm to
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But again, your posts implied that I should feel guilty about something neither I nor my ancestors were not involved in.

You just assume that. I'm just trying to better explain a situation. Don't feel like I'm trying shame you because I'm citing specific situations. I'm simply trying to paint a picture so that you can understand where I'm coming from. Discounting the effects of slavery and oppression is dehumanizing just like the act of slavery itself.


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Ummm.... In America? No.


Exactly, they were different circumstances. Far different situations.

Posted by BallstotheWesleyWall
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 4:56 pm to
The person that wrote that seems very intelligent but is biased from a personal event like a fight, relationship issue, etc. What is sad to me is that so many people are scared to be themselves and/or voice their opinions when it comes to race.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 4:57 pm to
Some needs to go back and read my original post. I clearly said that what happened to blacks doesn't excuse thug behavior. This discussion has gotten way off track.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 4:57 pm to
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Discounting the effects of slavery and oppression is dehumanizing just like the act of slavery itself.


Nobody's discounting it. It was terrible horrible and despicable. People are rotting in hell for their role in it and rightfully so.

I submit that others in history have had a worse fate and manged to move on, not blaming the descendants or even just people of the same race for their present troubles.

ETA: I read you don't excuse thug behavior by it. I respect that and unfortunately that is not the approach taken by many.
This post was edited on 4/26/15 at 5:00 pm
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 5:01 pm to
Incredibly racist. This is straight out of mein kampf. Substitute blacks for Jews and you have the exact argument the nazis used.

Do I think there is a problem in the poor black community culture in America? Yes. Do I think it is encouraged by political parties? Yes. Are blacks inherently dumber than whites? frick no. Are their white cultures in America and around the world which are also wrecked? Yes.

Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 5:03 pm to
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I submit that others in history have had a worse fate and manged to move on, not blaming the descendants or even just people of the same race for their present troubles.
let's take the Jews for example. They had foreign powers come to their aid, they migrated to places were the were no longer oppressed, they had a far different circumstance following their plight
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 5:05 pm to
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3nOut
just a nice, healthy discussion.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 5:09 pm to
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Incredibly racist. This is straight out of mein kampf. Substitute blacks for Jews and you have the exact argument the nazis used.

Do I think there is a problem in the poor black community culture in America? Yes. Do I think it is encouraged by political parties? Yes. Are blacks inherently dumber than whites? frick no. Are their white cultures in America and around the world which are also wrecked? Yes.
by far the best response
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
12069 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 5:30 pm to
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The black/white experiment has failed.

For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites. The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.

Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedman’s Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball. Their new laws intruded into people’s lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless handwringing to close the “achievement gap.” To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to “Celebrate Diversity!” and “Say No To Racism.” Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

Some thought that what W.E.B. Du Bois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing. Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them.

Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and majority-black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment. Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away.

The white elite would tell us that this doesn’t mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, more opportunities. But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president.

Some argue it’s a problem of “culture,” as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame “white privilege.” But since 1965, when the elites opened America’s doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India–people who are not white, not rich, and not “connected”–have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black “youths” are committing half the country’s violent crime–crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it, that has nothing to do with poverty.

The experiment has failed. Not because of culture, or white privilege, or racism. The fundamental problem is that white people and black people are different. They differ intellectually and temperamentally. These differences result in permanent social incompatibility.

Our rulers don’t seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don’t understand that white people aren’t out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with “racism,” and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.


I blame John Wilkes Booth and that one damnable bullet....
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70459 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 6:12 pm to
Barbaritos,
Most people dont realize that Lincoln's plan wasnt complete. Freeing slaves was only part one. He never got to finish part two.

Any confused should research the history of Liberia.
Posted by 10888bge
H-Town
Member since Aug 2011
8421 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 6:38 pm to
from the first sentence....racist as frick.
also DGAF
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 6:42 pm to
This Germans but it's also the truth.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
20969 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 7:11 pm to
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For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an experiment.


I think the experiments of Randolph and Mortimer Duke completely debunk this research.




Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19569 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 8:17 pm to
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You're just sensationalizing what I say. Nobody is gonna say what they really think in this thread without getting terminated by a mod. But I feel I presented my outlook on it in a civil manner knowing people like you would blow it out of proportion and mold it into an opinion that it's not.



I'm not sensationalizing nor blowing anything out of proportion. I'm legitimately trying to understand to what degree you are willing to take this hypothesis. Is that not a fair question?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70459 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 8:22 pm to
What he's saying is that if you watch this video and type what you really think when you watch it, you will get banned.


At-Risk Youth having a Protest in Baltimore Yesterday

You aren't allowed to say "Useless thug black males acting like wild jungle monkeys in civilized society" because it is racist to say things like that, even if it's 100% true.
This post was edited on 4/26/15 at 8:23 pm
Posted by PikeBishop
Bristol, TN
Member since Feb 2014
975 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 8:25 pm to
The only thing here that surprises me is that the original quote was not preceded by, "I'm not a racist, but ( insert racist statement here)."
Posted by FourThreeForty
Member since May 2013
17290 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 8:26 pm to
whatevee degree I need to.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 8:32 pm to
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The psychological effects of it will be everlasting


This is the biggest bunch of bullshite I have read on here in a looonnnngggg time. Nobody alive today suffered from the effects of slavery.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 8:34 pm to
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I wish I knew what the solution is but I don't

There is no solution. This is how we have to pay for the sins and greed of our ancestors. It's just the way it is and it's never going to change.
Posted by Carolina Tide
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2013
5747 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 8:38 pm to
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Exactly, they were different circumstances. Far different situations.


The native Americans were slaves until black people arrived.

The Chinese were basically slaves working on the Pacific railroad.


Hell, the natives were almost EXTINCT at one point. Their culture and way of life was damn near destroyed.


Black people had it bad, but they had it much worse then we ever did.
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