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re: LIfe on other planets?

Posted on 7/11/13 at 11:39 am to
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 11:39 am to
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odds of the earth avoiding destruction and having the right building blocks for life, being in the right zone, etc. are absurd


How absurd given the number of planets in the universe? Has anyone actually tried to put a number on those odds?
Posted by UMRealist
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 11:39 am to
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Yes, there are an unimaginable number of stars in the universe but they aren't infinite.


technically they do not know whether or not it is truly "infinite" or not

I meant infinite in the sense that it is completely unimaginable the number of galaxies/stars/planets
This post was edited on 7/11/13 at 11:40 am
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 11:49 am to
I don't think it would be possible to quantify it.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 11:52 am to
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I don't think it would be possible to quantify it.


That's my thinking, but I had to figure somebody tried by now. Not that their number would be anything remotely accurate.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 11:53 am to
It would be so many guesses and estimations piled on top of each other that I think the only thing that would result is a number we cannot possibly comprehend.

For example, number of comets in the universe with water, amino acids, etc. Odds that those comets would eventually hit the same planet(we don't even know for sure if that is how our planet got started).

Planets that could have a moon as massive as ours to draw comets away from the earth. Massive planets in the outskirts that would help as well. All this development happening in the same time the planet is in the habitable zone, etc. and i am a math and physics person, not biology so I am sure there are thousands of other factors.
This post was edited on 7/11/13 at 11:56 am
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 11:55 am to
I don't care about understanding it...I just want a number.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 11:57 am to
1/(1236893028509289430593034027349309450947509709527*10^10000).

but so many of my estimations could be wrong so who knows how accurate it actually is.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:04 pm to
Thanks for showing me a number, even though I looked at it and said "zero".
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:05 pm to
what do you mean said zero?

That is what the number approaches, 1/very large or ever increasing number always approximate to zero.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:06 pm to
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what do you mean said zero?


quote:


That is what the number approaches, 1/very large or ever increasing number always approximate to zero.


Answered it for me.
Posted by Mr.Sinister
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:07 pm to
Scientifically: It is very reasonable to assume that life exist on other planets throughout the galaxy, whether or not they are carbon base life forms like ourselves is an entirely different debate.

Religiously: It is also very reasonable to assume there is life on other planets throughout the universe. What type of Creator/God would make just one planet to test lifeforms and how they interact with each other, without using any of the vast amounts of other planets for their/its creations?

Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:14 pm to
If you've studied chemistry, especially biochemistry or organic, your opinion about extraterrestrial life is probably close to mine. IMO, life is ubiquitous. Simple life, that is. Some simple chemical mixes display rudimentary characteristics of life. The line between life and not-life.

It's complex lifeforms that may be on the rare side. Simple life began on earth after only a few hundred million years. It persisted as Cyanobacteria for some 3.8 billion years until about 600 million years ago. The so-called "Cambrian explosion" saw the rapid and mysterious evolution of multicellular organisms that ultimately led to us. No one has even a good theory about what caused this sudden shift in evolution.

So, yes, there's plenty of life beyond earth. Complex sentient life? Maybe not so much.
This post was edited on 7/11/13 at 12:26 pm
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:22 pm to
I have very little formal chemistry and biology exposure, my comments are based on the mathematical, and astronomical views of the topic.

My main point is what were the odds that whatever triggered the "cambrian explosion" as you stated was going to occur. How many different chance impacts had led up to it and provided the necessary ingredients for it to happen?

The infinte universe doesn't seem quite so big when thinking in those terms.
Posted by bamafan425
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:25 pm to
Impossible to quantify for sure.

How can you put a number on chance of life with so many other variables?

And while there are so many planets out there and it's easy to say "there has to be life, the universe is huge."

Huge, big, large, a lot, etc. are all relative. They are big to us, but that means nothing in the bigger picture.

That said I couldn't care less about life on other planets.
Posted by mwlewis
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:28 pm to
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Highly Advanced: They'll come to us and at that point it will be too late to stop them.

Most people laugh at the UFO conspirators and the stories people make up about UFO sightings, faked pictures and video, but scientists have figured out how to travel through space with bending time but we don't have the technology to accomplish it yet. Also I read a while back about scientists using radio towers to send signals to other galaxies and listening for responses. There was a response from somewhere near Orion I think but they couldnt pinpoint exactly where.

I'm not saying I believe all the area-51 we have flying saucers and aliens bodies and shite but if there is life here there has to be life elsewhere. God created man but He could have somewhere else too.
Posted by Crompdaddy8
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 12:40 pm to
nearest planet that might be habitable is what, 20 light years away? that's 117,572,510,824,968 miles.

and 20 light years is nothing. Observable universe is 93,000,000,000 light years.

there has to be some extraterrestrial life out there. but it's too fricking far away so we'll probably never find out.
Posted by The Calvin
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 1:52 pm to
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that doesn't mean anything. the universe is infinitely large



This..I'm of the crowd that thinks there IS something out there, we just might not find it for another couple hundred years

And there could even be "multiverses"--universes outside of our own



:mindblowingup:
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 3:01 pm to
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My main point is what were the odds that whatever triggered the "cambrian explosion" as you stated was going to occur. How many different chance impacts had led up to it and provided the necessary ingredients for it to happen?


The Drake Equation is about all I can offer you for the "odds" of events such as the Cambrian Explosion happening. We don't yet know how it happened or what might have precipitated it.

We do know that cometary and asteroidal impacts played a critical role for the evolution of life on earth. It seems logical to think this would be a common event for the development of life on other worlds, too.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 4:56 pm to
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Christian beliefs aside


Even as a Christian myself i believe there is other life out there. I believe God left some things for us to find out on our own...there are many things in this world we don't know about.

I think there are some things that God does not want us to know about, things the human brain can't comprehend or be responsible enough to use.

For all we know, there are many other planets with life who have a different history story that is similar to ours and follow the same God.
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 7/11/13 at 5:00 pm to
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An infinite number of galaxies each with billions of planets


This has always blown my mind. The though of infinity is so unreal...it's like how does such things exist and go on forever. You would think there has to be a limit, or a point where matter is no more and it's just blank space.

Perhaps there is a line where violent reactions take place causing the Universe to expand into that blank space. Who really knows
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