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Posted on 11/11/16 at 11:04 am to Tillman
Posted on 11/11/16 at 11:04 am to Tillman
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so if a politician says rape is wrong, do you have a problem with that?
Welcome back, tater tot. You're fun.
Rape is a crime, a physical assault. Only you would confuse it with a religious principle. Maybe you should be raped so you could distinguish the difference.
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abortion isn't about religion.
Abortion is a medical procedure to end a pregnancy. Only you would confuse it with a religious principle. Maybe you should be aborted so you could distinguish the difference.
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your rhetoric is so dumb.
Rhetoric is lacking in sincerity or meaningful content. There are secular laws against rape and for abortion. Hardly rhetorical. Maybe you should be outlawed so you could distinguish the difference.
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Posted on 11/11/16 at 11:07 am to Kentucker
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Abortion is a medical procedure to end a pregnancy. Only you would confuse it with a religious principle. Maybe you should be aborted so you could distinguish the difference.
Late term abortion is pretty horrific, and I say that as someone who doesn't give a frick about abortions.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 11:31 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Late term abortion is pretty horrific, and I say that as someone who doesn't give a frick about abortions.
Of course it is because the fetus is viable. That's why it's illegal except in instances where the mother's life is in danger.
The viability of a fetus is currently set at 22 weeks. A push is underway to make that 20 weeks because the lungs can sometimes be adequately developed at that stage.
I favor a first trimester limit for abortions because that's plenty of time for a woman to decide if she wants to complete the pregnancy. Viability is not an issue within the first three months of a pregnancy either.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 12:12 pm to Kentucker
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Late term abortion is pretty horrific, and I say that as someone who doesn't give a frick about abortions.
Of course it is because the fetus is viable. That's why it's illegal except in instances where the mother's life is in danger.
Not to mention this makes up something like .08% of all abortions.
Most of the time it's done with a pill and it's just a heavier period than before. But I think Kentucker and I, part of the Depopulist Party may be sympathetically absent from this topic.
At least, I'd have to recuse myself if we were to move any further because I simply don't want more people, and I feel babies who are born have more value than even a thousand fetuses.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 1:12 pm to Kentucker
my point is that you liberals act like the only people who oppose abortion are religious people. you lump the issue in with gay marriage.
most abortion involve a fetus that has brain waves, beating heart, can feel pain, have the breathing motion, etc.
abortion is a physical assault on an unborn baby.
you said: 'I'm sick of politicians telling us what's morally right and wrong. Morals are personal and are determined by the value system we learned when growing up'
my point is you have no problem with politicians telling us things like rape are morally wrong, but you do have a problem if conservative politicians say abortion is wrong. so it is ok with you to say something is morally wrong if you think it is moraly wrong, but it is not ok for pols to say something is immoral if you don't agree it is immoral.
most abortion involve a fetus that has brain waves, beating heart, can feel pain, have the breathing motion, etc.
abortion is a physical assault on an unborn baby.
you said: 'I'm sick of politicians telling us what's morally right and wrong. Morals are personal and are determined by the value system we learned when growing up'
my point is you have no problem with politicians telling us things like rape are morally wrong, but you do have a problem if conservative politicians say abortion is wrong. so it is ok with you to say something is morally wrong if you think it is moraly wrong, but it is not ok for pols to say something is immoral if you don't agree it is immoral.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 1:26 pm to Tillman
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most abortion involve a fetus that has brain waves, beating heart, can feel pain, have the breathing motion, etc.
We can just stop here. Any person that says they can see no tangible difference between a 20 week old fetus and a five year old is simply not on the same page as I am.
I would lose, literally, thousands of fetuses if it meant saving my 5 year old.
In fact, that happens naturally all the time with women but no one seems worried about the hundreds of thousands of ''children dying''.
Let a 5 year old get hit by a car, then you see the true pain.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 1:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
you are presenting a false choice, as though it must be one or the other. just b/c your 5 year old kid has life, doesn't mean a fetus with the standard proofs of life does not have life.
don't try out for a college debate team, homey.
moreover, your party supports abortion up to 1 second before childbirth. you are not doing anything to speak up against that. you voted for this party. so save your lectures.
don't try out for a college debate team, homey.
moreover, your party supports abortion up to 1 second before childbirth. you are not doing anything to speak up against that. you voted for this party. so save your lectures.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 2:08 pm to Tillman
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moreover, your party supports abortion
You live in a rigidly dichotomous world. Do you wear blinkers?
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my point is that you liberals
We've already established the you consider anyone who opposes any of your ideas to be a liberal, so this is meaningless.
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most abortion involve a fetus that has brain waves, beating heart, can feel pain, have the breathing motion, etc.
You really don't understand the stages of abortion. Despite the chart that Straws provided to you, you think something else and you call other people liberals? Incredible.
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my point is you have no problem with politicians telling us things like rape are morally wrong.
Everyone, except rapists, already knows rape is wrong. Do you have to be told by a politician that it's wrong? Do you, Tillman?
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but you do have a problem if conservative politicians say abortion is wrong.
Nope. I have a problem when politicians tell us it's wrong for everyone by trying to enact laws to prevent it for all.
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so it is ok with you to say something is morally wrong if you think it is moraly wrong, but it is not ok for pols to say something is immoral if you don't agree it is immoral.
The First Amendment to our great Constitution makes some of your responses look silly.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 3:58 pm to Kentucker
ok, you are saying rape is wrong, but abortion isn't wrong. so you can have an opinion about what is moral and what isn't, but youd on't think conservatives should hvae that right.
you talk about the 1st admendment but you are clearly opposed to free speech by conservatives. in your view, people aren't allowed to say abortion is immoral simply because a barbarian like you has no problem with it.
you are one of the most liberal people on this forum, you have no courage and you are a dishonest person. you are a coward but you are not fooling anybody.
you talk about the 1st admendment but you are clearly opposed to free speech by conservatives. in your view, people aren't allowed to say abortion is immoral simply because a barbarian like you has no problem with it.
you are one of the most liberal people on this forum, you have no courage and you are a dishonest person. you are a coward but you are not fooling anybody.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 5:58 pm to Tillman
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ok, you are saying rape is wrong, but abortion isn't wrong.
Correct. I know you think abortion is wrong, but do you also think rape is wrong? You haven't said that it is.
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so you can have an opinion about what is moral and what isn't, but youd on't think conservatives should hvae that right.
Why can't conservatives have an opinion about what is moral and what isn't for themselves?
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you talk about the 1st admendment but you are clearly opposed to free speech by conservatives.
Where's the evidence?
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in your view, people aren't allowed to say abortion is immoral simply because a barbarian like you has no problem with it.
Why aren't people allowed to say abortion is immoral? The First Amendment gives them that right.
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you are one of the most liberal people on this forum, you have no courage and you are a dishonest person. you are a coward but you are not fooling anybody.
Tillman gold.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:05 pm to Kentucker
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Correct. I know you think abortion is wrong, but do you also think rape is wrong? You haven't said that it is.
Com'on man.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:52 pm to 3nOut
Hey, now, we can only play with Tillman one at a time. He gets flustered and calls everybody liberals if we don't.
Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:25 pm to Kentucker
The biggest loser...Newsweek writer Kurt Eichenwald
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I hate to say this but, against my investment advisor's recommendation, I sold all stocks and went all cash months ago, just in case. — Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) November 9, 2016
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It might have seemed like a smart move when the market took a brief dip during the election, but that didn't last. The Dow opened at a a record high on Thursday and the S&P 500 was flirting with its own record as the market reacted to the prospect of a Trump administration.
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Posted on 11/11/16 at 7:39 pm to Kentucker
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Hey, now, we can only play with Tillman one at a time. He gets flustered and calls everybody liberals if we don't.
I know. I swear, I'm obviously one of the more conservatives on the rant (not the poliboard) and he said I'm just a liberal because either I thought Hillary won one of the debates or that Obama had actually done some good things. I don't remember but I
'd hard. This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:13 pm to 3nOut
callling a liberal a liberal is proof that i'm flustered. lol
so being accurate means a person is flustered.
Kentucker only has the liberal view on every issue and was supporting HIllary. can't possibly be a liberal though. lol
so being accurate means a person is flustered.
Kentucker only has the liberal view on every issue and was supporting HIllary. can't possibly be a liberal though. lol
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:16 pm to Kentucker
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Right again. I'm sick of politicians telling us what's morally right and wrong. Morals are personal and are determined by the value system we learned when growing up. No two people are the same and there's just no way any politician can offer a set of morals that every person, or even most persons, will accept. Furthermore, it's not their role to do that.
this is what i was responding to.
i brought up rape to expose your obvious hypocrisy.
obviously, everybody other than rapists think it is politicians job to oppose rape, theft, murder, various other crimes. but then you clutch your pearls if conservative politicians oppose abortion.
This post was edited on 11/11/16 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:38 pm to Tillman
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moreover, your party supports abortion
Im a Democrat and I've never been in favor of abortions at any term, unless in cases of proven rape.
Abortion is murder, IMO
Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:50 pm to Tillman
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Kentucker only has the liberal view on every issue
No he doesn't.
I'm pretty sure he's borderline libertarian. Posted on 11/11/16 at 8:54 pm to Tillman
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Kentucker only has the liberal view on every issue and was supporting HIllary.
false
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