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re: Is it advocating racism or remembering heritage?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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"Small government" is considered thinly veiled racism by many
This is incorrect.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:26 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Small government" is considered thinly veiled racism by many
This is incorrect.
which part?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:26 pm to DynastyDawg
Are you being serious right now?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:26 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Doesn't mean I assume you're a racist for doing so. Just unnecessarily closing doors, IMO.
Correct.
I don't do a lot of things because some people find them offensive. But, I can't help but think less of those who do the stereotyping.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:27 pm to DynastyDawg
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everything was completely black/white (again, no pun intended)
Imma start thinking you're intending puns in a minute
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't do a lot of things because some people find them offensive. But, I can't help but think less of those who do the stereotyping.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:27 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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To the citizens, yes.
Just like to the average citizen in the South at that time, it wasn't about the morality of it. Doesn't make it any less wrong.
What's in a movement?
When the NAZI party came to power, I'm sure it looked good to a lot of young Germans who were tired of living in a broken nation, with little hope for their future. Not their fault Hitler turned out to be such an a-hole.
In the mid-1800's, a lot of people still weren't sold on the idea of one unified federal government, and believed they were citizens to their state, and not their country. So when their state went to war, they did.
Doesn't mean it's right, but shite, we hadn't learned anything.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:28 pm to parkjas2001
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which part?
"By many."
Of course that's rather ambiguous
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:28 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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"By many."
"by some" would be better.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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TbirdSpur2010
All I have intended to convey ITT is that I am proud of my Southern Heritage. I'm proud of being from the South. I am also not a racist. When this thread began, the two were one in the same and I got quite perturbed. I probably went overboard, but I tend to do that when being painted with a broad brush. Hope you understand.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 8:03 am
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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"Small government" is considered thinly veiled racism by many
This is incorrect
I believe you are not up on current ideology.
I've already linked you to the "states rights is racist" belief.
Limited government is racism
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Some contend that Whites’ application of values to form opinions about race-conscious policy may constitute a subtle form of racism. Others challenge the new racism thesis, suggesting that racism and values are exclusive in their influence. Proponents of the thesis assert that many Whites’ attitudes about such policy are structured by a mix of racism and American individualism. The author suggests that an even more subtle form of racism may exist. Racism may actually be expressed in opposition to big government. The test results presented here indicate that the effects of limited-government values on attitudes about race-conscious policy are conditional on levels of racial prejudice for many Whites, whereas the effects on racially ambiguous social welfare policy attitudes are not. The author contends that these results provide support to the argument that racism still exists and has found a new subtle expression.
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“Free market,” “libertarian,” “contract rights” and “small government” are the current in-vogue euphemisms for maintaining white supremacy. Though you still hear, “states’ rights” from some right-wing politicians, the phrase does have a stigma from the battles to protect segregation a half century ago.
This is the popular sentiment.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:31 pm to DynastyDawg
Who has said that anyone who flies the flag is racist? I certainly didn't.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't do a lot of things because some people find them offensive. But, I can't help but think less of those who do the stereotyping.
Just like they would think less of you for not giving a frick if you chose to do those things (however you might feel you were justified in so doing would be beside the point).
Goes both ways
Like I said earlier, I don't assume everyone I see with that flag is a racist. They're usually not.
But had that been a symbol Mrs. T had felt the obligation to promote and defend, it would not have worked out between us, even with all else being equal.
There's the rub. And that flag causes it. Better to let it go like Elsa in Frozen
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:32 pm to genro
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You're just not looking good in this thread at all
You aren't either.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't do a lot of things because some people find them offensive
Personally, I don't give a shite if someone is offended by what I do or say. If I offend someone, that's their problem...but I don't go out of my way to piss people off.
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But, I can't help but think less of those who do the stereotyping.
Those who stereotype, including the ones who consider people who display the Confederate flag racist, are only showing their prejudice.
We are all bigots in one form or another...it's only a matter of degree within the individual.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I am "up" on current ideology.
I'm saying that I disagree.
Yes, I should have said that earlier instead of bluntly saying you were incorrect. My mistake.
But the vast majority of people that I talk to about politics don't share that very limiting perspective.
I'm saying that I disagree.
Yes, I should have said that earlier instead of bluntly saying you were incorrect. My mistake.
But the vast majority of people that I talk to about politics don't share that very limiting perspective.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I don't think everyone that advocates state's rights is racist or a bigot, but I do think a vast majority of racists and bigots are advocates of state's rights.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:36 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Just like they would think less of you for not giving a frick if you chose to do those things
Which is why I choose what I say and my symbolism carefully. Being offended is in vogue.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:37 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Doesn't mean I assume you're a racist for doing so. Just unnecessarily closing doors, IMO.
This. It has a complex meaning for individuals. Can someone wave it without racist undertones? Possibly. But given what that means to so many people, and the impossibility of portraying that without having an in depth conversation with someone, what should anyone else expect? If say only 30% of people that wave confederate flags are racist fricks, that means 30% of every time I see someone displaying it they are racist. That's like going bareback on a woman in club where 30% of the girls have herpes.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:38 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Still not a good idea to drape oneself in the Confederate flag for a variety of reasons, of course.
Absolutely agree, and I wouldn't, for a variety of reasons.
Being afraid of getting my arse kicked isn't one of those reasons, in case you're wondering.
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