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re: Is Alabama an underrated state?

Posted on 1/14/19 at 8:14 am to
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 8:14 am to
How are the schools in the state?
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 8:17 am to
In Alabama? I don't know. Like I said, I don't like Alabama and don't really ever go there anymore.

In Arkansas? The public school system did alright by me. Of course, I'm a studious person by nature, so I got more than some out of it.

Here's what makes Arkansas unlike Mississippi or Louisiana.

Posted by ibldprplgld
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:03 am to
Yawn.

OKTGR taking pot shots and making sweeping generalizations about Louisiana and the residents, color me shocked.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:50 am to
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It’s definitely not at the bottom of the barrel with Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas.
One of these things is not like the others.

BoarEd is correct. See Fortune 500 map below:

Arkansas: 6 (3 in NWA, including the top dog)
Louisiana: 2
Mississippi: 0
Alabama: 1

Also, just to note in comparing the size of the companies, the Fortune #2 is the large bubble in Dallas (Exxon-Mobil). The size difference between #1 Walmart and #2 Exxon is huge.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:51 am
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:47 am to
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Here's what makes Arkansas unlike Mississippi or Louisiana.


I grew up on Ozark streams in southern MO. I would put the Ozarks (MO or AR) above any landscape that Alabama has to offer.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 12:19 pm to
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How are the schools in the state?




Decent to really good in affluent areas. Bad to average in middle income areas, and downright awful in poor areas.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 12:19 pm to
Without a doubt
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 12:47 pm to
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I grew up on Ozark streams in southern MO. I would put the Ozarks (MO or AR) above any landscape that Alabama has to offer.



So pretty that Netflix decided to film it all in North Georgia.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:36 pm to
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So pretty that Netflix decided to film it all in North Georgia.


Tax breaks and access to Atlanta, bruh. I've been to North Georgia, too. Nice area. But I still wouldn't trade it for the Ozarks.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:43 pm to
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So pretty that Netflix decided to film it all in North Georgia.




Check out the new True Detective that premiered last night. It was filmed in my hometown! I drove by those folks filming every day.
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:24 pm to
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I grew up on Ozark streams in southern MO. I would put the Ozarks (MO or AR) above any landscape that Alabama has to offer


That's what I was thinking as well. NWA looks beautiful. I'd likely put it just behind the mountainous regions of East TN/Western NC in terms of scenic outdoor areas in the South East.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:31 pm to
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the mountainous regions of East TN/Western NC


I've never been there. I'd like to go in the next year or two.
Posted by KSGamecock
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:32 pm to
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East TN/Western NC


Probably my favorite part of the South.
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:08 pm to
It's a great place. I can see a 5,500+ ft mountain from my 2nd floor window here in Knoxville on high visibility days.. with several mountains getting close to 7,000 ft around us. It's an outdoorsmans paradise
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:39 pm to
That passage from Tennessee down into North Carolina. Newfoundland Gap. Beautiful country.

Personally I still like NWA. One main reason is that the hilltops and valleys are more easily accessible on foot. And the specific type of geology we have here is more conducive to finding caves and waterfalls.

Here in the Ozarks, we aren't in the mountains, we are in a ditch. The state of Kansas is as flat as a pancake, but it actually sits at a higher elevation than any point in the Ozarks. The hills are carved out, not pushed up. So it's unique to most places in that respect. Lots of caverns and waterfalls. Lots.

Other than that though, it's hard to say one is prettier than the other. They're both just gorgeous places to live.

Tennessee actually has a wide swath of pretty land. Cumberland Gap all the way over to North Carolina. Hard to beat it.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 4:53 pm
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:30 pm to
NE Alabama and NW Arkansas have some similarities and significant differences. I like the "mountains" of NWA better but Alabama mountains have greater diversity. Alabama has 3 distinctly different mountain types. Limestone valleys and uplands (somewhat like NWA), Appalachian Plateau (mostly sandstone and a blend of limestone/granite, and Piedmont Plateau (granite). Alabama has practically every landscape known in North America aside from deserts and alpine tundra.

Alabama is referred to as "America’s Amazon". Its rivers and creeks are home to more aquatic creatures than any comparable area in the world. Its forests host more kinds of plants than any in North America. We are blessed with 11 watershed basins (5 of which are classified as major watersheds). With our 132,000 miles of rivers and streams, 10% of the fresh water in the continental US originate in or flow through Alabama.

1st in the U.S. – Freshwater fish diversity
1st in the U.S. – Freshwater Mussels diversity
1st in the U.S. – Freshwater Snails diversity
1st in the U.S. – Crayfish diversity
1st in the U.S. – Turtle diversity
All speaking to the watershed quality

1st in the U.S. – Tree species diversity (geology and climate diversity)

And then you have the 400,000 acres of estuary area in the Mobile River/Gulf Coast basin and the 607 miles of shoreline along the beaches, bays and inlets at the Gulf of Mexico.

Not too many years ago Alabama had 6 or 7 Fortune 500 companies based here. All but one of them have move company HQ's to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, Houston, and NYC.

Underrated, yes but most living in Alabama would prefer it stay that way and not experience the population explosion of areas like Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, and Houston.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 11:35 pm
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:56 pm to
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Underrated, yes but most living in Alabama would prefer it stay that way and not experience the population explosion of areas like Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, and Houston.



I feel the exact same way about NWA. Unfortunately, I don't think it's really in the cards for us to keep our natural areas pristine.

There's a spot I used to like to go way out in Newton County (this is where the "Beverly Hillbillies" family was supposedly from) called Kings River Falls. Gorgeous spot. Big, voluminous fall with a real nice blue hole to swim in. Used to be not many people knew where it was, but with the advent of things like handheld GPS and hiking blogs all over the internet, it's no longer a secret.

Last time I went out there, there were like two dozen people out there and one dude had pulled his lawn chair up to the top of the falls and was drinking beer and discarding his cans right into the river.

I almost came unglued. Really wanted to kick the guy's arse. I don't go there anymore. Used to be I would NEVER see anyone there. Now one of the more spectacular spots in the entire state is going to be ruined.

Worst part of it is that this place is like hours away from any real "town". I mean about as remote as you can get in the state of Arkansas. So people actually go WAY out of their way to frick shite up for everyone else.

Makes me sad.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
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Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:03 am to
Oh, and another time I happened to go to another favorite spot of mine in Newton County called Big Bluff. Or as we always called it, "The Goat's Trail." It's the largest bluff in middle America (between the Appalachian and Rocky Mountain ranges) and there is a shelf on the bluff face about 450' above the river that you can walk along. Spectacular views. Just unbelievable.

Anyways, one time not too long ago I went out there and some low class idiot from Louisiana (I assume) had come along and painted a giant "LSU" on the bluff.

shite you not. And people wonder why I hate on LSU so much. Between that shite and the piss balloon stories I just don't know what to think about those folks.

ETA: Here is a pic of the place that was defaced with a giant "LSU" logo.



I mean really, wtf. Those juniper trees on that bluff are among the oldest trees in the state of Arkansas. Some of them are over 1,000 years old. It's a good thing dude wasn't actually spotted by someone like me causing trouble up there. That's a sacred area to a lot of people.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 12:24 am
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:38 am to
Big Bluff - been there. I loved fishing on the Buffalo river as a kid. My dad grew up in Harrison. About 10 miles NE of Big Bluff is a great little creek just south of Mystic Caverns, Mill Creek (you might know the area as Dogpatch). That was where my dad's family had a picnic every 4th of July when he was a kid. Such a beautiful area.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:53 am to
Right on. Yeah, Dogpatch is gorgeous.

Weird story about that place. A number of years back some dude takes his son out there to do some four wheeler riding. They weren't supposed to be there. So someone went out there and strung up some cable in front of these guys as they were passing by and damn near decapitated the father. I don't think they ever caught the person that did it.

Anyways, that was many years back now and ever since then there's been a court battle over who actually owns the property. Because someone is gonna have to pay for that shite. So it's just been sitting there falling apart ever since and more recently the sewer system out there failed and started pouring sewage into the Buffalo. EPA got involved in all that mess too.

Unfortunately I don't think Dogpatch will be put to any sort of use any time soon.

Another spot near there that's real nice is Cecil's Cove. There's a real nice 6 mile hike that can be done out there and you'll see along the route a waterfall that's never been measured. The terrain is too inhospitable to get up above the falls, but it's at least 90 feet I would say and is a triple tier fall. Further back along the trail there is a cave that was used by bootleggers back in the day and after the whole area was incorporated into the National River lands they found an old whiskey still down in one of the rooms. two waterfalls in the same room as the still and a chimney for sunlight.

Really cool spot.
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