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re: Interesting Read re: CIA involvement in "cover-up" of JFK assassination
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:09 am to Tropic Lightning
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:09 am to Tropic Lightning
quote:Perhaps, but I believe that Executive Order 11110 signed his death certificate.
JFK was basically a walking dead man in 1958.
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Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:47 am to TX Tiger
It's been a long time since I read anything about this. Please refresh my memory on Executive Order 11110?
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:51 am to TX Tiger
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National Security Action Memorandum Number 55: Relations of Joint Chiefs of Staff to the President in Cold War Operations, June 28, 1961
The above NSAM effectively castrated CIA from intelligence gathering operations, Kennedy was not real happy about Bay of Pigs or the horse shite Dulles was doing in Vietnam.
National Security Action Memorandum Number 55: Relations of Joint Chiefs of Staff to the President in Cold War Operations, June 28, 1961
The above NSAM effectively castrated CIA from intelligence gathering operations, Kennedy was not real happy about Bay of Pigs or the horse shite Dulles was doing in Vietnam.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 12:37 pm to Tropic Lightning
Interesting stuff but there's no way in hell I'm typing some of this shite into Google.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 12:50 pm to semotruman
Lee Harvey Oswald was a weirdo from New Orleans that fell in love with Communism at the age of 15. He never graduated high school and joined the Marines at 17. He was an okay marksman, but he was obsessed with the USSR. He tried to teach himself Russian he loved it so much.
At 19 he "defected" to the USSR. Which meant he got enough money to travel to Moscow. Even they thought he was weird, and when his tourist visa expired a week later he shot himself to get attention. Then he goes to a psyche ward in Moscow, and they find out he was a Marine. The Soviets try to use this to their advantage, and there were some news stories about it, but in the end, it was insignificant. Just some weird kid with delusions of grandeur. Lee Harvey Oswald wants to be educated in Russia, but they find out he's dumb and stick him in a factory. He dates some chick for the next two years, proposes, and she rejects him. He then starts to get depressed and plans on moving back to America and writes the US Embassy in January 1961 to gtfo.
He meets some chick in March of 61 and they get married and head back to the US in June of 62. He moves to DFW. No one likes him. He's rude and arrogant, and can barely hold a job. In March of 63 he tries to kill a retired general, even leaving his wife instructions of what to do if he didn't return. Lee Harvey Oswald missed the shot from 100 feet away.
He moves to New Orleans in April of 63. Gets fired a month later. He starts to get restless and tries to form a Fair Play for Cuba Committee branch in New Orleans. He writes the headquarters and they tell him not to. He does it anyway. Starts handing out pamphlets and debating people on the radio. No one really cares.
In September of 63, he sends his wife and kids back to Dallas, while he claims he's going to stay behind and pick up an unemployment check. Instead he goes to Mexico City in order to get in to Cuba. He tried to get a transit visa via the Soviets, but they don't give it to him. He spends 5 days arguing with people at the consulates in Mexico City and the Cuban officer even claimed that people like Oswald were doing the Cuban Revolution harm. His visa does actually get granted a couple weeks later, but he had already given up and headed back to Dallas.
When he arrives in early October, a neighbor tells him of a job opening at the school book depository. He gets the job. Due to Lee Harvey Oswald's recent return to the US, a local FBI agent was assigned to investigate the family. Marina was confronted a couple of times early that November at their home while Lee Harvey Oswald was working and Lee Harvey Oswald was so mad he threatened to blow up the FBI office in Dallas.
On November 21, Lee Harvey Oswald, who was staying at a hotel during the week in Dallas for his job, asked for an unusual lift back to Irving by the guy that drove him to and from work. He said he was picking up curtain rods. It was actually the rifle.
The next morning he returned to his job in Dallas but left behind his wedding ring and some cash. At about 12:30, he fired three shots from the sixth floor at the motorcade and stashes the gun. Walks downstairs, is confronted by a cop, but a coworker vouches for him. He leaves before the police lock down the building. Grabs a bus to head back to his boarding room. Traffic sucks. He gets off and gets in a cab. Grabs a gun and a jacket when he arrives and heads out the door.
At 1:15. Officer JD Tippit in his patrol car spots Lee Harvey Oswald a mile away from his boarding room on foot. Confronts him as he matches a description of the assassin. JD Tippit is killed by 4 shots from Lee Harvey Oswald's revolver.
At 1:40, Lee Harvey Oswald is noted to have slipped in to Texas Theater without paying by a near by store owner. The police arrive. Lee Harvey Oswald says, "well it's all over now", and seems like he is surrendering, but tries to shoot Officer Nick McDonald. The revolver hammer gets caught between the webbing in Lee Harvey Oswald's hand and he is disarmed.
He is arrested and arraigned for the murders of JD Tippit and John F Kennedy later that night. Over the next two days he is interrogated, easily caught in many lies, all while refusing lawyers that aren't associated with the Communist Party.
On November 24, Jack Ruby, a dweeb in his own right, shoots Lee Harvey Oswald. Most that know him realize Jack Ruby had spent his whole life trying to make a name for himself and was never able to. He thought killing Lee Harvey Oswald would finally gain him favor with the police and the mafia. Rotting with cancer in a jail cell, Jack Ruby makes many claims about being framed, but like the rest of his life, they were never more than talk. He had nothing to lose and would have gotten the fame he so desired but never had anything to say.
There was no conspiracy. Just a couple of dweebs and a lucky shot.
At 19 he "defected" to the USSR. Which meant he got enough money to travel to Moscow. Even they thought he was weird, and when his tourist visa expired a week later he shot himself to get attention. Then he goes to a psyche ward in Moscow, and they find out he was a Marine. The Soviets try to use this to their advantage, and there were some news stories about it, but in the end, it was insignificant. Just some weird kid with delusions of grandeur. Lee Harvey Oswald wants to be educated in Russia, but they find out he's dumb and stick him in a factory. He dates some chick for the next two years, proposes, and she rejects him. He then starts to get depressed and plans on moving back to America and writes the US Embassy in January 1961 to gtfo.
He meets some chick in March of 61 and they get married and head back to the US in June of 62. He moves to DFW. No one likes him. He's rude and arrogant, and can barely hold a job. In March of 63 he tries to kill a retired general, even leaving his wife instructions of what to do if he didn't return. Lee Harvey Oswald missed the shot from 100 feet away.
He moves to New Orleans in April of 63. Gets fired a month later. He starts to get restless and tries to form a Fair Play for Cuba Committee branch in New Orleans. He writes the headquarters and they tell him not to. He does it anyway. Starts handing out pamphlets and debating people on the radio. No one really cares.
In September of 63, he sends his wife and kids back to Dallas, while he claims he's going to stay behind and pick up an unemployment check. Instead he goes to Mexico City in order to get in to Cuba. He tried to get a transit visa via the Soviets, but they don't give it to him. He spends 5 days arguing with people at the consulates in Mexico City and the Cuban officer even claimed that people like Oswald were doing the Cuban Revolution harm. His visa does actually get granted a couple weeks later, but he had already given up and headed back to Dallas.
When he arrives in early October, a neighbor tells him of a job opening at the school book depository. He gets the job. Due to Lee Harvey Oswald's recent return to the US, a local FBI agent was assigned to investigate the family. Marina was confronted a couple of times early that November at their home while Lee Harvey Oswald was working and Lee Harvey Oswald was so mad he threatened to blow up the FBI office in Dallas.
On November 21, Lee Harvey Oswald, who was staying at a hotel during the week in Dallas for his job, asked for an unusual lift back to Irving by the guy that drove him to and from work. He said he was picking up curtain rods. It was actually the rifle.
The next morning he returned to his job in Dallas but left behind his wedding ring and some cash. At about 12:30, he fired three shots from the sixth floor at the motorcade and stashes the gun. Walks downstairs, is confronted by a cop, but a coworker vouches for him. He leaves before the police lock down the building. Grabs a bus to head back to his boarding room. Traffic sucks. He gets off and gets in a cab. Grabs a gun and a jacket when he arrives and heads out the door.
At 1:15. Officer JD Tippit in his patrol car spots Lee Harvey Oswald a mile away from his boarding room on foot. Confronts him as he matches a description of the assassin. JD Tippit is killed by 4 shots from Lee Harvey Oswald's revolver.
At 1:40, Lee Harvey Oswald is noted to have slipped in to Texas Theater without paying by a near by store owner. The police arrive. Lee Harvey Oswald says, "well it's all over now", and seems like he is surrendering, but tries to shoot Officer Nick McDonald. The revolver hammer gets caught between the webbing in Lee Harvey Oswald's hand and he is disarmed.
He is arrested and arraigned for the murders of JD Tippit and John F Kennedy later that night. Over the next two days he is interrogated, easily caught in many lies, all while refusing lawyers that aren't associated with the Communist Party.
On November 24, Jack Ruby, a dweeb in his own right, shoots Lee Harvey Oswald. Most that know him realize Jack Ruby had spent his whole life trying to make a name for himself and was never able to. He thought killing Lee Harvey Oswald would finally gain him favor with the police and the mafia. Rotting with cancer in a jail cell, Jack Ruby makes many claims about being framed, but like the rest of his life, they were never more than talk. He had nothing to lose and would have gotten the fame he so desired but never had anything to say.
There was no conspiracy. Just a couple of dweebs and a lucky shot.
This post was edited on 10/12/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
President Lyndon Baines Johnson, the Man who proceded Kennedy says there was a conspiracy in the July 1973 issue of The Atlantic.
Johnson knew he was dying and there wasn't anything they could do to him anymore.
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Johnson knew he was dying and there wasn't anything they could do to him anymore.
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During coffee, the talk turned to President Kennedy, and Johnson expressed his belief that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy. "I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger." Johnson said that when he had taken office he found that "we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." A year or so before Kennedy's death a CIA-backed assassination team had been picked up in Havana. Johnson speculated that Dallas had been a retaliation for this thwarted attempt, although he couldn't prove it. "After the Warren Commission reported in, I asked Ramsey Clark [then Attorney General] to quietly look into the whole thing. Only two weeks later he reported back that he couldn't find anything new." Disgust tinged Johnson's voice as the conversation came to an end. "I thought I had appointed Tom Clark's son—I was wrong."
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:05 pm to Tropic Lightning
I'm not sure how much more proof you want.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:30 pm to semotruman
#1 If you believe in a conspiracy then you believe that Ruth Payne was involved. She had to be since she was Oswald's connection to get a job at the Book Depository. You also must believe that Roy Truly, the man who hired Oswald there, was involved. In 50 years there has never been any evidence that either has had any connections to the FBI, CIA, mafia, or any other group conspiracy theorists point the finger at.
#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.
#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.
Oswald acted alone.
#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.
#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.
Oswald acted alone.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:32 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:
There was no conspiracy. Just a couple of dweebs and a lucky shot.
Thanks for the read. Sometimes dumb people succeed in their goals. It seems a lack of glamor can fuel conspiracy theories.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:39 pm to TeLeFaWx
Yep
At the end of the day, every conspiracy theory eventually arrives at the point where an unsubstantiated assumption must be made in order for it to work. Not one theory, other than the lone gunman, is fully explained by facts in evidence,
In such a case, where assumptions must be made, the only logical move is to believe the theory with the fewest assumptions. That is that Harbey acted alone, essentially the "null" hypothesis here.
At the end of the day, every conspiracy theory eventually arrives at the point where an unsubstantiated assumption must be made in order for it to work. Not one theory, other than the lone gunman, is fully explained by facts in evidence,
In such a case, where assumptions must be made, the only logical move is to believe the theory with the fewest assumptions. That is that Harbey acted alone, essentially the "null" hypothesis here.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:43 pm to Kentucker
If you believe Oswald acted alone then you have a lot of explaining to do. And I would like to you to explain it to me.
Please explain how a story of a 23 / 24 year old unknown man, full bio, picture of him in a suite, was prepared before Kennedy was assassinated and before Dallas police even knew he existed?
Mind the date line.
I have the victim himself speaking of a conspiracy, I have a quote by LBJ saying it was a conspiracy, I have a New Zealand news paper having the story before the Dallas PD did. That news paper would have had to go to print before Kennedy was even murdered.
So please explain it to me.
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Please explain how a story of a 23 / 24 year old unknown man, full bio, picture of him in a suite, was prepared before Kennedy was assassinated and before Dallas police even knew he existed?
Mind the date line.
I have the victim himself speaking of a conspiracy, I have a quote by LBJ saying it was a conspiracy, I have a New Zealand news paper having the story before the Dallas PD did. That news paper would have had to go to print before Kennedy was even murdered.
So please explain it to me.
LINK
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:50 pm to Tropic Lightning
quote:
So please explain it to me.
No.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:55 pm to Kentucker
Great. Thanks for your contribution to the thread.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:57 pm to Tropic Lightning
Read the logic of Telefawx's, Draconian Sanctions' and Roger Klarvin's threads. There's nothing that can be added.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:04 pm to Kentucker
There is no logic in any of that. There are made up assertions. They don't address anything in my previous posts.
Should I believe some Dudes on the internet who obviously have done no research, not even read the links I provided, or the former President of The United States who flat out said it was a conspiracy?
Should I believe some Dudes on the internet who obviously have done no research, not even read the links I provided, or the former President of The United States who flat out said it was a conspiracy?
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:16 pm to Tropic Lightning
Your mistake is assuming that just because someone believes Oswald acted they must not be well informed or have not researched the topic.
Like those who deny evolution on this site, rather than futilely trying to convince you of that which you have no desire to believe I will simply show you the path and allow you to choose what to do, thereby not wasting my time or yours:
LINK
Again, long story short there is only one theory which does not require leaps of logic and assumptions based on facts not in evidence. The burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorist.
Like those who deny evolution on this site, rather than futilely trying to convince you of that which you have no desire to believe I will simply show you the path and allow you to choose what to do, thereby not wasting my time or yours:
LINK
Again, long story short there is only one theory which does not require leaps of logic and assumptions based on facts not in evidence. The burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorist.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
So you are saying The President of The United States, Lyndon Johnson, was a conspiracy theorist?
Can you please stop the senseless horse shite of defending the indefensible?
LBJ lived next door to J. Edgar Hoover for years. They were best friends. LBJ knew the deal. He was PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!
This is not conspiracy it is fact. You still haven't addressed the very real proof of Oswald being a patsy with the newspaper problem.
I'm out.
Y'all keep it classy.
Can you please stop the senseless horse shite of defending the indefensible?
LBJ lived next door to J. Edgar Hoover for years. They were best friends. LBJ knew the deal. He was PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!
This is not conspiracy it is fact. You still haven't addressed the very real proof of Oswald being a patsy with the newspaper problem.
I'm out.
Y'all keep it classy.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:38 pm to Tropic Lightning
I'm saying LBJ could be a great many things, from a liar to someone telling what he believes to be the truth.
None of that changes the rules of logic.
None of that changes the rules of logic.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Again, long story short there is only one theory which does not require leaps of logic
Well the lone shooter theory has a leap of logic as well. It defies logic that a man that missed a stationary target(General Walker) a few months prior to the JFK assassination, somehow improved his marksmanship to the point of hitting a moving target, at a great distance, with the same gun.
That said, I do think Oswald acted alone for the most part. That aspect has always seemed curious to me though.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:58 pm to The Spleen
and, he would have improved his marksmanship with one of the shittiest weapons ever mass produced.
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