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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/10/14 at 6:58 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 4/10/14 at 6:58 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It's because of people like you that I do this, thank you.
Count me, too, buddy. I'm a fan of your debate skills.
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Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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especially since most of the works were interpolated to better suit the current rulers of areas.
Do you have an example for this?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:12 pm to the808bass
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especially since most of the works were interpolated to better suit the current rulers of areas.
Do you have an example for this?
The often referred to Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, a book written to prove the validity of the New Testament, says: ” A study of 150 Greek [manuscripts] of the Gospel of Luke has revealed more than 30,000 different readings... It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the New Testament in which the [manuscript] is wholly uniform.”[133] Most of the variation took place within the first three Christian centuries.
And of course:
The phrase, "Jesus said, 'Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing,'" (Luke 23:34) perhaps added to demonstrate Jesus' benevolence, carries a footnote in the NIV that indicates it is omitted from "some early manuscripts." It has also been argued that "they" did indeed know what they were doing and, in fact, were not forgiven. Others claim that, since important manuscripts included it, it is probable that it was included in the original text, but removed from an earlier copy for some reason - perhaps antisemitism,[1] a damaged manuscript, or a mistranslation found to be offensive. Another translation of the quote might be “The Father forgives them (the executioners); for they experience not what they do.” Also per footnotes in the NIV, some early manuscripts did not have Luke 22:43-44 or Matthew 16:2-3.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:18 pm to Kentucker
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Count me, too, buddy. I'm a fan of your debate skills.
Thank you, sir. If someone would have told me that we would have fantastic conversations on the Off-Topic Board of the rant I would not have believed them at first.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You are a good man Straw. Already played my trump card with Cosmos, but keep up the good fight.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:32 pm to OMLandshark
OMLandshark, you and NATidefan are rockers, too. I hope you'll consider taking your skills into the political foray with the religious right. While scientists have the attention of the courts and the threat to teaching evolution and science has subsided, we know they'll be back with new trickery.
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." ~Abraham Lincoln
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." ~Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Thank you, sir. If someone would have told me that we would have fantastic conversations on the Off-Topic Board of the rant I would not have believed them at first.
Yeah, well, while masturbation jokes never get old, sometimes it's nice to exercise our skills as intelligent adults.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 9:56 pm to Kentucker
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OMLandshark, you and NATidefan are rockers, too.
Awww, that's sweet.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I know the historicity of Jesus is not exactly relevant to this discussion but I had put it out of my mind for a while because I didn't see anything conclusive about the Jesus Character.
Then I looked up the debate between Ehrman and Carrier(it's very long) and it's clear that Ehrman has been completely outclassed in his view on Jesus.
LINK
Apologetic, tons of mistakes he's admitted to and clearly another S.E. Cupp.
Then I looked up the debate between Ehrman and Carrier(it's very long) and it's clear that Ehrman has been completely outclassed in his view on Jesus.
LINK
Apologetic, tons of mistakes he's admitted to and clearly another S.E. Cupp.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 10:05 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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But who taught god programming?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The phrase, "Jesus said, 'Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing,'" (Luke 23:34) perhaps added to demonstrate Jesus' benevolence, carries a footnote in the NIV that indicates it is omitted from "some early manuscripts." It has also been argued that "they" did indeed know what they were doing and, in fact, were not forgiven. Others claim that, since important manuscripts included it, it is probable that it was included in the original text, but removed from an earlier copy for some reason - perhaps antisemitism,[1] a damaged manuscript, or a mistranslation found to be offensive. Another translation of the quote might be “The Father forgives them (the executioners); for they experience not what they do.” Also per footnotes in the NIV, some early manuscripts did not have Luke 22:43-44 or Matthew 16:2-3.
So you didn't give a single example of an interpolation which was made by a ruler of an area and didn't even manage to give an interpolation which affects theology in any significant way. You can do better. I'll give you a mulligan.
Of course, your first claim is wholly fictionary (vis a vis our modern text) but I'll let you at least attempt to find a significant textual interpolation.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:30 pm to the808bass
This thread should be mandatory reading for suicide hotlines
would help the overpopulation issue
would help the overpopulation issue
This post was edited on 4/10/14 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:36 pm to MIZ_COU
Actually it's been highly enlightening and entertaining. But of course you know that because you read all 29 pages. Right?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:38 pm to Kentucker
quote:Was going to. Decided I didn't hate my life enough
But of course you know that because you read all 29 pages. Right?
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Then I looked up the debate between Ehrman and Carrier(it's very long) and it's clear that Ehrman has been completely outclassed in his view on Jesus.
No one takes Carrier seriously other than believers in his faith. Carrier is a "freelance lecturer" and has been since he worked as a librarian's assistant at Columbia. And while I think Ehrman hasn't always been a great debater, he has a chair at UNC Chapel Hill. If Carrier was as smart as he fancies himself, one would think someone would hire him to teach. Like at a university. Maybe even a good one.
It is funny and fitting that in a thread decrying the anti-scientific method of IDers, you side with an anti-historical method scholar in Carrier.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:54 pm to the808bass
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No one takes Carrier seriously other than believers in his faith. Carrier is a "freelance lecturer" and has been since he worked as a librarian's assistant at Columbia. And while I think Ehrman hasn't always been a great debater, he has a chair at UNC Chapel Hill. If Carrier was as smart as he fancies himself, one would think someone would hire him to teach. Like at a university. Maybe even a good one.
It is funny and fitting that in a thread decrying the anti-scientific method of IDers, you side with an anti-historical method scholar in Carrier.
Strange, his new book "The Historicity of Jesus" is in fact peer reviewed. Again, you are grossly archaic in your approach to this debate and have no idea what you're talking about. I suggest you "read up" on contemporary articles but of course, you're far too enlightened for that.
Posted on 4/10/14 at 11:57 pm to the808bass
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So you didn't give a single example of an interpolation which was made by a ruler of an area and didn't even manage to give an interpolation which affects theology in any significant way. You can do better. I'll give you a mulligan.
Of course, your first claim is wholly fictionary (vis a vis our modern text) but I'll let you at least attempt to find a significant textual interpolation.
I expected inference to take place here.
Why would someone alter the text afterward? What would they gain by doing this? Who would do this?
This seems unbelievably easy.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:09 am to the808bass
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especially since most of the works were interpolated to better suit the current rulers of areas.
Do you have an example for this?
King James?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:22 am to OMLandshark
Thanks for posting the Cosmos thing over and over, I watched the original Carl Sagan one years ago... but hadn't checked out the new one... the hulu linked kept crashing or stopping on me though after the first 15 minutes... Pirate Bay to the rescue, and now I know so much more... Past Epsiode 1 and half way through Episode 2.. Great stuff.
Kinda irritated this isn't easily found for free online though... This is the type of thing that was on PBS when I was a kid and should be easily accessible to everyone...
Past Epsiode 1 and half way through Episode 2.. Great stuff. Kinda irritated this isn't easily found for free online though... This is the type of thing that was on PBS when I was a kid and should be easily accessible to everyone...
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:32 am to NATidefan
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the hulu
Can't even get on Hulu here in Mexico.
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Kinda irritated this isn't easily found for free online though... This is the type of thing that was on PBS when I was a kid and should be easily accessible to everyone...
I can't believe it's not open source.
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