re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution

"After the trial, there were calls for the defendants accused of not presenting their case honestly to be put on trial for committing perjury. "Witnesses either testified inconsistently, or lied outright under oath on several occasions," Jones wrote. "The inescapable truth is that both [Alan] Bonsell and [William] Buckingham lied at their January 3, 2005 depositions. ... Bonsell repeatedly failed to testify in a truthful manner. ... Defendants have unceasingly attempted in vain to distance themselves from their own actions and statements, which culminated in repetitious, untruthful testimony." An editorial in the York Daily Record described their behaviour as both ironic and sinful, saying that the "unintelligent designers of this fiasco should not walk away unscathed".[41]" -- The Discovery Institute pretty much ensured that ID will never be taught in classrooms as legitimate science.

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Oh, cruel irony. If only you could comprehend

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For you, comprehension=agreement. Which is pure folly on your part, of course.

But by all means, continue on your high horse. That steed ain't gonna ride itself.

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For you, comprehension=agreement. Which is pure folly on your part, of course.

But by all means, continue on your high horse. That steed ain't gonna ride itself.

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I want to say that SDR has stayed on topic throughout this thread. He has quite effectively shown why ID is a covert creationist argument that has been exposed for what it is, theist deceit.

One of the more sinister traits of the religious right movement is their thinking that it's perfectly okay to lie to the infidel in order to convince others to be saved. "By whatever means necessary" has historically been their mantra.

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Although I did debate the historicity of Jesus, so I can't accept all of that but yes: Kitzmiller v. Dover should have been brought up waaay before that.

It was absolutely amazing at how unabashed they were about it as well.

Secondly, and in reference to the "it's okay to lie", if you go to ANY debate where the person posting the video is a Theist: They will have disabled comments, disabled the voting system and if they DO accept comments will only allow those who agree with the theist position. The religious right, for the most part, is the most intellectually dishonest group coming out these days.

The majority of Americans (73%) identify themselves as Christians, but only 31% of the American public believe in young earth creationism. That was from 2009, quite awhile ago actually...

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I'll wait until transitional fossils are found in droves, and only then will I begin to consider evolution somewhat valid. After all, Darwin him self said we should be tripping over these transitional fossils if his theory is true.

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The great thing about science is that whether you decide to believe it or not, its true.

Science has the added bonus of evidence

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There are varied forms of evidence. Science has empirical evidence. But that is hardly the only form of evidence, nor is it the most important form of evidence IMO. It may be the okay important form of evidence for science. I think it's well overrated for life in general.

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Is there a better evidence than empirical? Of course, you think Jesus is a solid figure in history so I'm assuming if it came out of the Bible that's all you need to know.

Please take your nonsensical ramblings back to Answers in Genesis. Evidence is evidence, either something can be proven or it can't.

Prove you love someone.