If rich people don’t pay taxes now, why would we be so against tax cuts?

I better not say, been banned for having a political opinion on here.

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Actually that's a reasonable point and the libs know it's a lie. This is a WSJ article from 2015 that says that the top 20% of earners pay 84% of income taxes:

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The individual income tax remains the most important levy in the U.S., providing nearly half of federal revenue.

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It's like there is something like corporate taxes, their loopholes, and massive corporate welfare that shits on personal welfare...

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It's like there is something like corporate taxes, their loopholes, and massive corporate welfare that shits on personal welfare...

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Double taxation is bullshite anyways. I really don’t see how that’s a counter either. Basically he’s saying they pay 84% of individual income taxes and you’re coming in saying “yeah but they are paying even more than that with corporate income taxes!”

But if you want to include all federal taxes:

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Still, that analysis confirms that, after all federal taxes are factored in, the U.S. tax system as a whole is progressive. The top 0.1% of families pay the equivalent of 39.2% and the bottom 20% have negative tax rates (that is, they get more money back from the government in the form of refundable tax credits than they pay in taxes).

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you’re coming in saying “yeah but they are paying even more than that with corporate income taxes!”

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Corporations aren't people... so "they" aren't being double taxed.

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They're not. They're against tax cuts that disproportionately favor the rich, at the expense of the lower and middle class.

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Which circles back around to the point made in OP.

Any tax cut will disproportionately favor the rich because we have a progressive tax system. That’s why they spew that line all the time because they don’t want tax cuts and that’s how they justify it to people.

Everybody’s tax bill goes down under the plan being voted on now besides people who itemize (usually rich people) and people in high tax states.

They aren’t shifting the tax burden. They’re reducing tax revenue as a whole if everybody makes as much as they do now.

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Corporations aren't people... so "they" aren't being double taxed

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If I have to argue whether double taxation exists, then this conversation isn’t even worth having.

Dema are against tax cuts because it takes away from their spending programs.

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tax cuts are rarely just an equal, across the board reduction in the tax rate.

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Never said they were. My point is actually that that won't be the case more often than not.

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Obviously those that pay a higher tax bill will see a larger dollar value cut. 

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And that is what most folks opposing said tax cuts latch onto, which is disingenuous.

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it's an even bigger problem when deductions and credits that are largely used by the lower and middle class are taken away in order to fund that 5% cut.

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Now here's where we may find a modicum of common ground. On the one hand, the windfall does have to be offset somewhat. On the other hand, though, there does have to be a limit.

Would that that were the prevailing debate, though. Most opposing views I see just drop the "tax cuts for the rich" rhetoric without much context. Hence, my post about it being lazy.

The Dems aren't against tax cuts; they're against anything proposed by Reps

Liberals are against tax cuts for multiple reasons. One reason is bc they know tax cuts will improve the economy and hurt them during election season. They're also against tax cuts for the simple reason of propaganda. It's a brainwashing tactic, and it works pretty well with their voting base, which coincidentally is the least intelligent base.

Rich people who oppose tax cuts do so for the simple reason is most of them pay taxes through capital gains, and taxing income won't affect them.