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re: How Mjnorities can gain their "privilege"
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:50 pm to the808bass
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:50 pm to the808bass
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The boy who cried racist will figure out the consequences of it eventually.
The push for political correctness will eventually reach a point that people will rebel against it and openly say more outlandish things.
It's a pendulum that swings back and forth because neither side knows when to stop..there is always a happy medium that should be acceptable but neither side can stop there and will keep pushing until a majority of people rebel against it.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:52 pm to Mizzeaux
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Right, I can see that. I'm telling you that, in my life, my whiteness has brought issues. My brand new high school was going to be "too white" so we got the opportunity to experience diversity when the inner city school was turned into a magnet school and became 30% white. That seems like a disadvantage.
Let's go back to elementary school, I got send to the old inner city elementary school because they closed the inner city schools and bused the inner city school kids to "white" schools. The trade off was that you had to go to an inner city school for 6th grade. Seems shitty.
I go in to car sales. I get hired because of a hook up (maybe privilege) because a 20 year old white dude doesn't generally do well in car sales. Eastern Europeans and African Americans are generally better at sales. (Stereotypes, oh no!) My managers were all minorities, and they probably should have been managers, they were all good at their jobs. I work my way up in the ranks, not because I'm white, but because I learn the business, I learn the product, and I can best develop the talent to sell more. I get passed up twice for promotions because the corporation I worked for wanted to promote diversity, and the car sales world isn't diverse (all male.) I finally get the job and I save that money I made in management.
I finally get my shot, after leaving the corporation, and do well. I save my money, get out of debt, and move on.
Take the savings, start a business because I hate the car business.
Get everything going, want to work with a governmental entity to increase business. Get passed up by a company with a minority owner with a substandard (in my, and most other people's opinion) product.
Give the extra 1% ownership to my fiance. She's a woman (disadvtanged) and latina (disadvantaged) person. Suddenly, we're the hottest shite in the world. Funny how that works.
There is literally a disadvantaged class for everyone except a white male that isn't a veteran. That all comes into account in government contracts.
So, given my parent's upbringing, my schooling, my career progression, my business, where did I ever advantage from being a white dude?
That's all nice and swell, but if you were black it'd've been at least ten times harder, yo.
You think people just give extra attention to black students?
You think people have special scholarships for Blacks?
You think there aren't advocacy groups that will help you if you get put in jail?
C'mon man, remove the silver spoon.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:53 pm to DCRebel
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Why does it have to be either or? Can they not be somehow related (hint: they are).
Well remind me to thank Lord Xenu for blessing me with the privilege of being born into a poor family, with an alcoholic and then absentee father, and for the step brother who beat me into the hospital when I was five, and who raped my sister in front of me as I fruitlessly cried for help. But my skin was white, Goddamn I'm one lucky son of a bitch.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:55 pm to deltaland
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The push for political correctness will eventually reach a point that people will rebel against it and openly say more outlandish things.
It's a pendulum that swings back and forth because neither side knows when to stop..there is always a happy medium that should be acceptable but neither side can stop there and will keep pushing until a majority of people rebel against it.
I think it's more of a matter of apathy.
Unless you directly represent a struggle -- most people won't empathize with you. An 18 year old black man didn't go through -anything- similar to that of a 65 year old black man.
Eventually, it'll come down to exactly what you said: A sort of rebellion.
It'll sound something like this: Deal with it.
And it'll exacerbate the problem quite a bit if one group continues to focus so heavily on race issues and doesn't move out of the "us vs. them" belief-system.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I get what you're saying, but here's the point.
Maybe not black students, but there were plenty of remedial classes for students that weren't doing well. My AP classes? That money was send to remedial "Proficiency" classes since my school was so diverse. Same with ESL classes. Like I always say, it's based more on income, but I'm going with the premise here.
I took Government AP, if I wanted to take any other AP classes, my parents would have to get a zone variance and send me to another school without a bus. My Honors math class was tutoring the kids that couldn't pass their high school proficiency test.
The school that was built the same year as ours in a higher class area? They didn't have that issue. They fought the busing and they had the AP classes. Hell, you could take marine biology at the other school in the more affluent area.
It's all about income, and anyone that tries to tell me otherwise can frick off. I'm pretty close to making it one generation from an adopted father and a mother that lived in a tent. Want to say that's white privilege? I'll fight you to the end every day.
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You think people just give extra attention to black students?
Maybe not black students, but there were plenty of remedial classes for students that weren't doing well. My AP classes? That money was send to remedial "Proficiency" classes since my school was so diverse. Same with ESL classes. Like I always say, it's based more on income, but I'm going with the premise here.
I took Government AP, if I wanted to take any other AP classes, my parents would have to get a zone variance and send me to another school without a bus. My Honors math class was tutoring the kids that couldn't pass their high school proficiency test.
The school that was built the same year as ours in a higher class area? They didn't have that issue. They fought the busing and they had the AP classes. Hell, you could take marine biology at the other school in the more affluent area.
It's all about income, and anyone that tries to tell me otherwise can frick off. I'm pretty close to making it one generation from an adopted father and a mother that lived in a tent. Want to say that's white privilege? I'll fight you to the end every day.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:01 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Well remind me to thank Lord Xenu for blessing me with the privilege of being born into a poor family, with an alcoholic and then absentee father, and for the step brother who beat me into the hospital when I was five, and who raped my sister in front of me as I fruitlessly cried for help. But my skin was white, Goddamn I'm one lucky son of a bitch.
My mother came from privilege but joined the military at 27. My father came from poverty and met my mother in the military -- both of my parents were Army. I'll be damned if anyone tells me that they didn't work their asses off to give me a good life in the middle class -- nothing was given to either of them.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:02 pm to Mizzeaux
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'm pretty close to making it one generation from an adopted father and a mother that lived in a tent. Want to say that's white privilege? I'll fight you to the end every day.
and I'm right there with you, fighting
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:04 pm to Mizzeaux
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It's all about income, and anyone that tries to tell me otherwise can frick off. I'm pretty close to making it one generation from an adopted father and a mother that lived in a tent. Want to say that's white privilege? I'll fight you to the end every day.
When I got out of the military I was practically homeless -- I at least had a car I could sleep in for the next six months until I charged my Honky Emergency Card so I could deliver pizza until finally landing a job as a contractor.
I think it's just much more simple to blame all white people and call it privilege than it is to look at a complex issue of overemphasis on race.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:12 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
My mother was 5 when her family came to the US from Ukraine. My grandfather had been killed before they left. My grandmother spoke 4 words of English when she, my mother, and her brother got to the US. Ask my grandma what good being white was.
Eta: my mother worked her arse off and now has a degree from one of the best law schools in America. Because she earned it.
Eta: my mother worked her arse off and now has a degree from one of the best law schools in America. Because she earned it.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:15 pm to Rebelgator
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My mother was 5 when her family came to the US from Ukraine. My grandfather had been killed before they left. My grandmother spoke 4 words of English when she, my mother, and her brother got to the US. Ask my grandma what good being white was.
Yep. And while you're at it, ask about my paternal grandmother's life as a Hungarian immigrant in Chicago. She was white as frick, though.
ETA: Great Grandmother, sorry for the undue bullshite. I've got an additional generation between me and that.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:16 pm to Mizzeaux
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She was white as frick, though.
Well, that's good. Otherwise she'd have been fricked.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:16 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm a couple generations out. My grandpa on my dad's side worked the line for KC Power and Light after being in the navy. Didn't take a single sick day from the time he started working for them until he retired. And grandma worked the cosmetics counter at Sam Goody's. That enabled my dad to be the first in his family to go to college, get his masters and doctorate and eventually return to his alma mater and chair his department.
Once you start going through people's stories, you realize that America is still the land of opportunity if you want to work and don't take no for an answer.
Eta: also Grampa won the lottery. Literally. But that was later. "I love this country."
Once you start going through people's stories, you realize that America is still the land of opportunity if you want to work and don't take no for an answer.
Eta: also Grampa won the lottery. Literally. But that was later. "I love this country."
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:17 pm to Rebelgator
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Well, that's good. Otherwise she'd have been fricked.
Yeah, it really helped her while she was making shirts in some factory.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:17 pm to Mizzeaux
White shirts?
This is the truth.
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Once you start going through people's stories, you realize that America is still the land of opportunity if you want to work and don't take no for an answer.
This is the truth.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:18 pm to Rebelgator
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White shirts?
Depends on if those racists in the retail stores sold them to whities. I don't think she had any input on their decision.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:19 pm to Mizzeaux
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:32 pm to Rebelgator
We super need to start a histories thread.
That aside: I think the Ukrainian is a perfect example of why white privilege doesn't encompass all whites. Similarly, try being Irish a few centuries back in the United States.
It's kind of strange when I hear people describe all white people as "Anglos" -- the ignorance of the different "shades of white" is baffling.
That aside: I think the Ukrainian is a perfect example of why white privilege doesn't encompass all whites. Similarly, try being Irish a few centuries back in the United States.
It's kind of strange when I hear people describe all white people as "Anglos" -- the ignorance of the different "shades of white" is baffling.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It's kind of strange when I hear people describe all white people as "Anglos" -- the ignorance of the different "shades of white" is baffling.
Reading the back of my grandpa's pictures were interesting. They were filled with names and nationality slurs. He didn't mean anything by it. But we were far more aware of the "shades" of white 40 or 50 years ago.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:37 pm to the808bass
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Reading the back of my grandpa's pictures were interesting. They were filled with names and nationality slurs. He didn't mean anything by it. But we were far more aware of the "shades" of white 40 or 50 years ago
It's as if these people have never seen All In The Family.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:59 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Similarly, try being Irish a few centuries back in the United States.
"I don't see no Americans. I see trespassers, Irish harps. Do a job for a nickel what a **** does for a dime and a white man used to get a quarter for. What have they done? Name one thing they've contributed."
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