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Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:01 pm to Alahunter
Dammit, 100 on both?
You greedy, Alahunter
You greedy, Alahunter
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:02 pm to genro
The "white people from Alabama" cannot be replaced with another racial group because they were the one's in charge. It is not bigoted to talk about history.
So, my question involved how do current white people in Alabama feel about the history when they look back on it.
I was not race baiting. It is weird that that is how you took it. I was asking how white people in Alabama feel when they read and learn about the abusive history.
I am from Louisiana. I am white and my ancestors owned slaves. I feel no guilt about it nor do I think that anyone else should who was not personally involved. I don't undestand why people even say "white guilt." My state has its own racist history. I was always interested in learning about it and am happy to see that a lot of progress has been made. But, understanding the past also helps me understand where things are now and how things can be better in the future.
So, my question involved how do current white people in Alabama feel about the history when they look back on it.
I was not race baiting. It is weird that that is how you took it. I was asking how white people in Alabama feel when they read and learn about the abusive history.
I am from Louisiana. I am white and my ancestors owned slaves. I feel no guilt about it nor do I think that anyone else should who was not personally involved. I don't undestand why people even say "white guilt." My state has its own racist history. I was always interested in learning about it and am happy to see that a lot of progress has been made. But, understanding the past also helps me understand where things are now and how things can be better in the future.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:03 pm to AlaTiger
Why should white people from Alabama feel any different than any other group?
I'm this close to calling the Reverend.
I'm this close to calling the Reverend.
This post was edited on 1/11/15 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:06 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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You greedy, Alahunter
white privilege. What can I say?
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:08 pm to AlaTiger
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they were the one's in charge
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how do current white people
Have no responsibility to answer for those that used to be in charge. Any more than any other race under current times. As stated by many, white and black in this thread. For the most part, it is indifference towards it. It happened. Things changed. Things continue to evolve and always will change.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:08 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:09 pm to genro
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genro How Do White People From Alabama Feel About "Selma" Here? And maybe now we can get the OP to see that and my mission will be complete and I'll still have this personal white guilt because I said crazy racial things again
I have never thought any different. If you let the past negatively affect you in the present, then you are ultimately responsible. But, as a white person, I can try to listen when people ARE still affected by the past. Why would I not? And, why would I not take the past into account in my dealings with others simply on the basis that there are people alive today who are isolated in experience or who, themselves have had bad experiences, and it messes them up. They are still responsible, but I can at least understand it.
What is your mission, exactly? To say that not all white people were bad? I never thought they were. Not all white people were racists. It was a racist system though and it affected everyone, white and black. So, having that in our history, how do we see the past now?
It is a legitimate question. There is no race baiting here except for what you want to see.
Growing up white in the South, I have primarily heard people say that the blacks were agitators who could not leave well enough alone and they brought their problems on themselves. Then, when everything changed, why didn't they just appreciate things and go on about their business? Why do they have to keep bringing it up again and getting everyone all riled up?
That is the majority of what I have heard from white people. Rarely do we have real conversations about what happened other than, "It was another time and just don't talk about it." So, no. Your attempt at trying to say it was complicated and we should just leave it alone is pretty ridiculous.
50 years later and you still can't ask white people what they think about what happened without being accused of being an agitator. Everyone is afraid you might cast their father or grandfather in a negative light.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:11 pm to genro
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Why should white people from Alabama feel any different than any other group?
I'm this close to calling the Reverend.
Ancestry. Heritage. State history.
Does every generation just start over completely with a clean slate?
You have no interest in American history at all? No interest in your state history? No one ever talks about the history of a state with the people who currently live there or who are descended from those who lived there at the time?
You are trolling, now.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:12 pm to AlaTiger
quote:To show you that you asked ignorant bigoted questions in your OP
What is your mission, exactly?
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:12 pm to AlaTiger
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So, my question involved how do current white people in Alabama feel about the history when they look back on it.
See, this is a disingenuous question. No decent person would feel great about the events that transpired then, white or black.
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I was not race baiting. It is weird that that is how you took it.
That's how anyone would take it. I don't sit at the dinner table and ask my wife how she feels about what her ancestors may or may not have done to mine. What fricking purpose does that serve?
It's one thing to watch the movie and appreciate the very real struggle that civil rights went through. It's another to use the movie to drum up some sort of white/black hostility/guilt/whatever you're trying to do.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:13 pm to AlaTiger
Jesus Christ dude. Ask some more rhetorical questions. Ignore sensible answers. Wall of text. Blah blah blah.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:14 pm to Alahunter
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How Do White People From Alabama Feel About "Selma" Here?
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they were the one's in charge
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how do current white people
Have no responsibility to answer for those that used to be in charge. Any more than any other race under current times. As stated by many, white and black in this thread. For the most part, it is indifference towards it. It happened. Things changed. Things continue to evolve and always will change.
Our education system is in complete shambles.
So, do you ever have any state pride over things that happened in Alabama that were good? I am not saying that you should feel personal shame over what happened. I am asking how you see your state HISTORY based on what happened and how that view of history affects how you see the present?
You are answering my question perfectly, by the way. You DON'T think about that part of your history at all because it did not personally concern you. So, when anything happens connected to race anywhere, you are confused by it and have no idea why anyone cares - because you don't personally care.
That is fine. You have answered the question. Thanks.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:17 pm to TbirdSpur2010
That isn't what I was trying to do.
When I look back on those events, I see things that happened that were pretty foul in how people were treated. Then, it affects how I see other parts of history because I recognize what was going on. I see things holistically.
It is called having a conversation about the past. White people and black people see the history differently for obvious reasons. I am not the one stirring anything up by asking a question. The question is revealing that a lot of people don't want to talk about it and don't think it pertains to them at all.
Fine. Question answered.
As for you judging my motives, they are what I said they were.
When I look back on those events, I see things that happened that were pretty foul in how people were treated. Then, it affects how I see other parts of history because I recognize what was going on. I see things holistically.
It is called having a conversation about the past. White people and black people see the history differently for obvious reasons. I am not the one stirring anything up by asking a question. The question is revealing that a lot of people don't want to talk about it and don't think it pertains to them at all.
Fine. Question answered.
As for you judging my motives, they are what I said they were.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:18 pm to AlaTiger
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You are answering my question perfectly, by the way. You DON'T think about that part of your history at all because it did not personally concern you. So, when anything happens connected to race anywhere, you are confused by it and have no idea why anyone cares - because you don't personally care.
What the frick.
What a convoluted, trollish line of "reasoning."
GTFO with this garbage.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:18 pm to genro
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genro How Do White People From Alabama Feel About "Selma" Here? Jesus Christ dude. Ask some more rhetorical questions. Ignore sensible answers. Wall of text. Blah blah blah.
What did I ignore? Because I disagree with you about your view of the past?
Whatever.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:18 pm to AlaTiger
I believe in a tier of races. Blacks and whites and Asians and Hispanics and everyone else are all equal on the first tier. AlaTiger is on the second subhuman tier. Understanding this racial history informs my daily worldview mostly on the internet.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:20 pm to AlaTiger
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I have primarily heard people say that the blacks were agitators who could not leave well enough alone and they brought their problems on themselves
I was born in 1970. Lived in Bham my entire life. The ONLY time I've heard anything close to this, is in relation to the state of Birmingham government and the mismanagement of it since Arrington and the Jeff Co Citizens coalition used it for self gain for decades. Have I seen prejudice? Absolutely. But I've never seen or heard anyone say beatings and lynchings were brought on by their own actions.
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50 years later and you still can't ask white people what they think about what happened without being accused of being an agitator. Everyone is afraid you might cast their father or grandfather in a negative light
An assumption and the root of your OP I think and almost certifies that it was a race baiting thread, looking to provoke folks, which did not happen, I'm glad to see. Myself, I grew up in the country, somewhat isolated from more rural parts of Jeff Co. Because of this, the area was middle class to poorer whites. I was in 3rd grade before our school even had blacks in it. 2 brothers. Who fought everday. With each other. But they were never treated bad. They went for one year, then it was Jr. High before I went to school with another. I graduated with a grand total of 12 in my Senior Class. I honestly cannot recall a single incident towards them my entire time in school.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:21 pm to AlaTiger
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It is called having a conversation about the past.
No, this is you looking for people to respond a certain way about the past.
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White people and black people see the history differently for obvious reasons.
I see history just as holistically as you. One's view of history doesn't depend on race as a matter of course. Assuming otherwise is folly on your part.
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The question is revealing that a lot of people don't want to talk about it and don't think it pertains to them at all.
We've been talking about it to the tune of 100+ responses. This is what makes people feel you're trolling.
Posted on 1/11/15 at 5:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Are you serious?
That's what he said!
You have got to be kidding me. He said he doesn't think about it or doesn't care because it didn't concern him. He doesn't care about it.
He has no idea why anyone else cares either. You can't connect the dots? There is no troll there. He doesn't care and doesn't know why anyone else would. Those things go together.
That's what he said!
You have got to be kidding me. He said he doesn't think about it or doesn't care because it didn't concern him. He doesn't care about it.
He has no idea why anyone else cares either. You can't connect the dots? There is no troll there. He doesn't care and doesn't know why anyone else would. Those things go together.
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