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re: Do you believe in any Cryptids, Aliens, or the Paranormal?
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:12 pm to Globetrotter747
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:12 pm to Globetrotter747
Is it not obvious that the Jesus crucifixion story is describing blood magic?
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:13 pm to BoarEd
No because blood magic is something from ASOIAF.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:15 pm to KSGamecock
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:19 pm to BoarEd
It was certainly a powerful spell. It's story has persisted for going on 2,000 years now, and has, in fact, opened lines of communication with the divine all these years later. Jesus was like the Michael Jordan of spell casters. A true ascended master.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:27 pm to BoarEd
If you were serious you'd start talking about how Jesus parallels Osiris and the virgin birth parallels Greek demi-god stories. There's a lot of copying and pasting from ancient Mesopotamian religions to Judaism and so on.
I'm not saying I subscribe to all of that but it's an interesting line of discussion.
Also how Islam was basically just a political movement masquerading as a religion where Mohammad lumped all of the existing religions together and said "Yep, all that's true and they were all Muslims, every Arab should be a Muslim and do what I say so we can stop in-fighting and start running shite"...add 1400 years and you get today's religion of peace.
The history of different religions is fascinating.
I'm not saying I subscribe to all of that but it's an interesting line of discussion.
Also how Islam was basically just a political movement masquerading as a religion where Mohammad lumped all of the existing religions together and said "Yep, all that's true and they were all Muslims, every Arab should be a Muslim and do what I say so we can stop in-fighting and start running shite"...add 1400 years and you get today's religion of peace.
The history of different religions is fascinating.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:36 pm to KSGamecock
Well, all of that is true. But Jesus was real too. Essentially your are right. In all of human history there is one thing that continues to rear its head to our detriment. It's greed.
When one culture overtakes another we always tend to destroy the advancements and cultural knowledge of the former. Stamp out their belief systems by overtaking them as your own.
If it weren't for human greed we would already be out there cruising among the stars.
2,000 years ago a Greek man invented a computer and a steam engine.
Their culture was destroyed and their advancements forgotten for nearly 2,000 years.
Meanwhile, in China, they were already drilling for natural gas and using it to heat homes. Again, knowledge lost for about 1,400 years.
We are so dumb as a species.
When one culture overtakes another we always tend to destroy the advancements and cultural knowledge of the former. Stamp out their belief systems by overtaking them as your own.
If it weren't for human greed we would already be out there cruising among the stars.
2,000 years ago a Greek man invented a computer and a steam engine.
Their culture was destroyed and their advancements forgotten for nearly 2,000 years.
Meanwhile, in China, they were already drilling for natural gas and using it to heat homes. Again, knowledge lost for about 1,400 years.
We are so dumb as a species.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 3:05 pm to KSGamecock
I'll preface this by saying that I've never seen anything along those lines and I believe that most accounts are probably from kooks/attention seekers.
Aliens: Probably.
Sasquatch/Mothman/Reptilians: only if they're aliens.
Ghosts: Maybe they exist on a slightly different plane that some of us are attuned to.
I also believe that the alien theory of modern human creation is as likely as or more likely than any other.
Aliens: Probably.
Sasquatch/Mothman/Reptilians: only if they're aliens.
Ghosts: Maybe they exist on a slightly different plane that some of us are attuned to.
I also believe that the alien theory of modern human creation is as likely as or more likely than any other.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 5:06 pm to Dixie Normas
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I also believe that the alien theory of modern human creation is as likely as or more likely than any other
Aliens are a manifestation of the paranormal. They are a control element of this simulated reality (this is all just my opinion, albeit an educated opinion).
If you look at alien abduction reports (I have read thousands of them) from all across the globe - not just the US - you will find great discrepency in their description of what these critters look like. Here in the US, for example, they are described as being big headed and small bodied, while in Russia it's exactly the opposite. In Russia the typical alien is very large bodied, with tiny heads.
This means that whatever it is behind this phenomenon is able to change its appearance to fit what each individual expects to see in its encounter.
400 years ago the culprit of the abduction phenomena wasn't an alien at all. They were leprechauns and fairies. Today they're aliens. They are tricksters. They are always on the peripheral of our cultural beliefs. They are Boogeymen.
But they're also real. Too much evidence suggesting it is a very real thing for it all to be fantasy.
They're the Agent Smith in our matrix.
ETA: Forgot to get to the point of this post. ^^ the above is what I know of the big headed almond eyeball version of "aliens" that abduct humans.
Our gods, however, apparently came from somewhere out there and look just like us.
Those aliens may be here this very moment and we would never know the difference. We wrote about them in the Bible and elsewhere.
Noah, for instance, seems to have been an alien.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 7:21 pm to BoarEd
I think they probably created us via genetic manipulation of a more primitive species for some reason unknown to us. Probably still some genetic and psychological manipulation going on to some degree.
We could be a science project.
We could be a science project.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:01 pm to Dixie Normas
I've always been keen on the idea it's a genetic experiment myself. Maybe a blending of several races. For unknown reasons.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:03 pm to Globetrotter747
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Out of curiosity, what is your stance on some scientific issues the Bible does address that appear to be incorrect when interpreted literally-such as the Genesis Flood and the Creation of Adam?
The Bible doesn't address much in the realm of science, but when it does, it's accurate. There a lot of geographic evidence for epic floods, most notably the collapse of the Bosporus land bridge that caused the Black Sea to spill over into the Mediterranean Sea. Scientists believe this happened a mere 7,500 years ago.
Scientists also believe DNA traces all of humanity back to a single "eve."
The truth is, no one was around to provide a written, detailed record of the events in antiquity.
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What reason is there to think advanced intelligent life is rare?
What reason is there to think it's abundant?
I often hear people say, "There has to be intelligent life other than us.What would be the purpose of the universe if we were the only intelligent life?"
To which I respond, maybe the purpose is to display the glory of God.
Actually, there probably is intelligent, advanced life out there, but the unimaginable vast distances between us are such that we will never know of each other's existence.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:34 pm to Perfect Circle
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What reason is there to think it's abundant?
Well, they've found microbial life clinging to the side of the ISS. They've also, potentially, found microbial life on Mars. A place that for the longest time was considered to be sterile.
It seems that life is literally everywhere. From volcanic vents at the bottom of our oceans, to the void of outer space itself.
Then it becomes a question of probabilities. What is MOST LIKELY is that life is literally everywhere. And in the areas where planets are found to be in our so-called "Goldilocks zone" the chances are considerable for there to be intelligent life.
We could find intelligent life under the surface of Mars, or on the waterworld of Europa. And we could find it sooner than later.
Either way though, it doesn't mean anything towards the Christian belief system though, because as I said, the Bible is clear that our gods came here from the cosmos.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:58 pm to KSGamecock
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- Aliens
Probably, there is likely some sort of intelligent life somewhere out there. As to whether or not they abduct us and/or have made contact, I'm far more skeptical.
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- Ghosts
No.
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- Vampires
No.
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- Sasquatch/Bigfoot
No.
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- Chupacabra
I do think that people who claim to have seen a chupacabra have seen a dog or coyote with a severe case of mange.
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- Jersey Devil
No.
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- Loch Ness Monster and similar creatures
Nope.
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- Reptilians
Oh, Lawd. No.
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- Mothman
No.
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- Crab People
South Park convinced me they exist.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:03 pm to crispyUGA
Reptilian humanoids are far more likely to exist than people would feel comfortable believing.
I mean, we were well on our way to having them right here on Earth with species like the velociraptor. It walked upright and was highly intelligent. Had syntax language system and hunted in packs.
It's a scary thought, but not even close to outside the realm of possibility.
I mean, we were well on our way to having them right here on Earth with species like the velociraptor. It walked upright and was highly intelligent. Had syntax language system and hunted in packs.
It's a scary thought, but not even close to outside the realm of possibility.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:17 pm to Perfect Circle
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The Bible doesn't address much in the realm of science, but when it does, it's accurate. There a lot of geographic evidence for epic floods, most notably the collapse of the Bosporus land bridge that caused the Black Sea to spill over into the Mediterranean Sea. Scientists believe this happened a mere 7,500 years ago
Big difference between an epic flood and a global flood.
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Scientists also believe DNA traces all of humanity back to a single "eve."
Here's one issue I have with science and Christianity.
The way I understand it, God supposedly created humans and gave us a perfect world free of death and suffering. But Man sinned against God and caused the world to be cursed. This introduced death and suffering and all the tragedy we see today. No one blames it on God because we brought it on ourselves through sin. It's our fault we live in a fallen world.
Well, here's my problem with that. Life (in one form or another) has existed for a couple billion years. Major multicellular life forms have existed for several hundred million years. Our most primitive human ancestors evolved a couple million years ago and anatomically modern humans about 200,000 years ago.
If that's the case, then humans did not screw up and bring death and suffering into the world. It was waiting on us for eons. We arrived in a world that was already tough and painful. We struggled from the start.
To me, the whole point of Jesus is to restore Man's relationship with God to its original state. But if we never had that perfect relationship - if we never had God's full grace and protection like we're supposed to get in Heaven - then I don't think the story makes sense.
If you imagine Man as a passenger on a cruise ship who gets drunk and falls overboard, calls out for help, and someone (God) tosses him a life preserver (Jesus) to save him and it's up to him to grab it, then that makes sense. However, if that same passenger were just standing by the rail and someone (God) pushed him overboard and into a dangerous situation and demanded a call for help to save him, then that doesn't make sense.
With a literal creation at least the story of the Fall of Man and the need for Redemption makes sense. But from an evolutionary standpoint - in which the constant struggle to survive in a dangerous world filled with death is the catalyst for our creation - I don't think it makes any sense at all.
What do you think?
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What reason is there to think it's abundant?
I didn't say either way. You made the statement that you don't think advanced life is abundant. I asked why you think that.
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I often hear people say, "There has to be intelligent life other than us.What would be the purpose of the universe if we were the only intelligent life?" To which I respond, maybe the purpose is to display the glory of God.
Well, we know intelligent life can and does exist and that it's a vast universe out there. However, we don't know that deities exist. I think the possibility of other civilizations makes more sense than the glory of God thing.
If you haven't noticed, I like to embrace mundane answers. I am a proponent of Ockham's Razor. The simplest answer that contains all the facts tends to be the right one. And I've never seen a reason to consider unproven supernatural entities for any explanation.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:17 pm to Kentucker
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This is faulty for a number of reasons. Care to list some of them?
150 years ago it took the Pony Express a few months to deliver a message from New York to San Fran. Sometime after that the connected wire telegraph was invented and in a few hrs a message could be delivered. Now that message is instantaneous via telephone call.
If you asked those people a 150 years ago that their Pony Express message would soon be delivered instantly few would have believed it possible because their understanding of technology as they knew it possible.
Now to say a civilization that is maybe 5,000 years (or whatever, Im just throwing out numbers) more advanced than us doesn’t have the ability to make those light year trips instantly may be naïve of us, but certainly we can’t fault anyone who believes that because we are basing that off our understand of physics and science right now.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 6:38 pm to Globetrotter747
I'm skeptical of the whole history of the earth timeline, both the scientific and the literal Christian versions. I don't believe the Earth was created in 4,500 BC, but I don't believe it's 4.5 billion years old either.
I know how carbon-14 dating works, and I understand how measuring the decay of radioactive isotopes supposedly allows scientists to determine the age of minerals, etc. But many of those tests are subject contamination and are not 100% reliable.
On the other hand, common-sense is telling me the earth more than 6,000 years old. Let me just say, the Earth is old.
I do believe in intelligent design. As Albert Einstein once said, the universe could have been chaotic, random and ugly- and yet we have this gorgeous synthesis at the origin of the universe itself, giving birth to the galaxies, the planets, DNA, life. Einstein said that the harmony he sees could not have been an accident.
And also, Thomas Huxley the great biologist said, the question of all questions for science and religion is the same: to determine our true place and true role in the universe.
Many, if not most, scientists of the last century believed in God. But in recent decades the philosophy of humanism has crept into the sciences, and because of this science and religion no longer speak the same language.
It's sad.
I understand non-believers' skepticism of historic events in the Bible. They dont always seem to reconcile with science.
I don't have all the answers. There are many things in the Bible I have questions about; many things I dont understand. But I'm limited in my thinking; I have a finite, human brain. I can't reconcile science and religion, but I'm absolutely certain God has no problem reconciling the two.
In this context, I don't sweat about things I dont understand. I don't have to have all the answers. I accept there are things no man will ever know in this lifetime. (Is that mundane, or what?) These things are "clutter" to me. They hold me back from what's really important: my relationship with Jesus.
I know how carbon-14 dating works, and I understand how measuring the decay of radioactive isotopes supposedly allows scientists to determine the age of minerals, etc. But many of those tests are subject contamination and are not 100% reliable.
On the other hand, common-sense is telling me the earth more than 6,000 years old. Let me just say, the Earth is old.
I do believe in intelligent design. As Albert Einstein once said, the universe could have been chaotic, random and ugly- and yet we have this gorgeous synthesis at the origin of the universe itself, giving birth to the galaxies, the planets, DNA, life. Einstein said that the harmony he sees could not have been an accident.
And also, Thomas Huxley the great biologist said, the question of all questions for science and religion is the same: to determine our true place and true role in the universe.
Many, if not most, scientists of the last century believed in God. But in recent decades the philosophy of humanism has crept into the sciences, and because of this science and religion no longer speak the same language.
It's sad.
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What do you think?
I understand non-believers' skepticism of historic events in the Bible. They dont always seem to reconcile with science.
I don't have all the answers. There are many things in the Bible I have questions about; many things I dont understand. But I'm limited in my thinking; I have a finite, human brain. I can't reconcile science and religion, but I'm absolutely certain God has no problem reconciling the two.
In this context, I don't sweat about things I dont understand. I don't have to have all the answers. I accept there are things no man will ever know in this lifetime. (Is that mundane, or what?) These things are "clutter" to me. They hold me back from what's really important: my relationship with Jesus.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 7:40 pm to Globetrotter747
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To me, the whole point of Jesus is to restore Man's relationship with God to its original state
I take issue with this statement. It isn't a big deal, but just to clarify: Jesus came here to create a shortcut for the rest of us to the divine. So whereas before man had all these laws he must follow in order to be saved, Jesus conducted a blood magic ritual and made it so all man had to do was believe he had actually done it -- for him -- and he would be saved.
Not unlike the Aztecs of 1,500 years ago burning virgins or cutting folks heads off to appease their gods. The Jesus story is, of course, romanticized and even saying this is sorta silly because most Christians reading these words right now will consider me a heretic for saying it, but it doesn't change what the story is saying.
To the rest of your point, however, I would point out that evil is necessary in our world to be a baseline by which to judge "good" with. It's the yin and yang, and it is an inescapable truism from a religious sense. And it makes the concept of a place called "hell" laughable.
I also kinda turn my nose up when people start throwing terms like Ockham's Razor around in arguments AGAINST the divine. Eh, false equivalence, false dichotomy, you name it.
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