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re: Do you believe in any Cryptids, Aliens, or the Paranormal?
Posted on 1/13/18 at 11:19 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 1/13/18 at 11:19 am to Roger Klarvin
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All that other stuff is superstitious nonsense,
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Posted on 1/13/18 at 11:24 am to BoarEd
It's ok, humans are wired to believe superstitious nonsense. In some ways it has been a vital evolutionary tool for survival. It's not your fault.
Posted on 1/13/18 at 11:32 am to Roger Klarvin
You are equal parts naive and arrogant. It's a funny combination.
Posted on 1/13/18 at 11:37 am to Globetrotter747
My bad, I thought you were ridiculing my beliefs.
I do believe alien life probably exists. I don't believe we have been visited by aliens.
Concerning ghosts, the examples of entities/spirits in the Bible, other than the Holy Spirit, are fallen angels, and are not to be entertained. Diabolical spirits can take on pleasant appearances. Scripture repeatedly warns against seeking out the dead. Nearly all denominations agree on this.
Souls do not linger, as evidenced by 2 Corinthians 5:8, which says, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
I do believe alien life probably exists. I don't believe we have been visited by aliens.
Concerning ghosts, the examples of entities/spirits in the Bible, other than the Holy Spirit, are fallen angels, and are not to be entertained. Diabolical spirits can take on pleasant appearances. Scripture repeatedly warns against seeking out the dead. Nearly all denominations agree on this.
Souls do not linger, as evidenced by 2 Corinthians 5:8, which says, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Posted on 1/13/18 at 11:43 am to BoarEd
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You are equal parts naive and arrogant.
You just believe what humans have believed for as long as we've existed, only certain superstitions have have been definitively debunked by science. You don't wonder where thunder comes from or what causes earthquakes.
We'll always think up nonsense to believe in though.
Posted on 1/13/18 at 3:03 pm to Perfect Circle
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I do believe alien life probably exists.
How would you reconcile this with your Christian faith?
Posted on 1/13/18 at 3:51 pm to Globetrotter747
No reconciliation needed considering the Bible, like all other holy texts, says pretty explicitly that our gods came from the heavens (cosmos).
Posted on 1/13/18 at 5:09 pm to Globetrotter747
How does this conflict with my faith?
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:23 am to Perfect Circle
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How does this conflict with my faith?
The Bible and Christianity make it seem like the entire Universe is predicated on events that supposedly have taken place here on Earth. God created humans and the Universe, humans screwed up, Jesus comes down here to fix it all. But if there are a bunch of other civilizations spread throughout the Universe it seems silly to believe that we're as important as we like to think we are.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 4:44 am to Globetrotter747
The Bible doesn't address the existence of life in places other than earth. I think life does exist elsewhere, rudimentary as it may be.
I don't think there are a bunch of other civilizations out there. I think advanced intelligent life is exceedingly rare in the universe, if it exists elsewhere at all. So in that case, yes, humankind is very important.
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But if there are a bunch of other civilizations spread throughout the Universe it seems silly to believe that we're important as we like to think we are.
I don't think there are a bunch of other civilizations out there. I think advanced intelligent life is exceedingly rare in the universe, if it exists elsewhere at all. So in that case, yes, humankind is very important.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 7:49 am to Perfect Circle
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The Bible doesn't address the existence of life in places other than earth
Out of curiousity, what is your stance on some scientific issues the Bible does address that appear to be incorrect when interpreted literally - such as the Genesis Flood and the Creation of Adam?
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I don't think there are a bunch of other civilizations out there. I think advanced intelligent life is exceedingly rare in the universe, if it exists elsewhere at all. So in that case, yes, humankind is very important.
What reason is there to think advanced intelligent life is rare?
Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:29 am to Globetrotter747
Most all cultures around the world have a flood myth. I'm not saying that there was a worldwide flood, but it's pretty clear these people are referring to something devastating that did actually happen. My guess would be the younger dryas event that wiped out the megafauna.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:38 am to BoarEd
Most cultures in the world spread from a few groups of people that settled in fertile river valleys; The Nile, Indus, Yangtze, Euphrates and Tigris. Of course we all have the flood myth, floods were important, frequent, and often traumatic events for them.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:57 am to KSGamecock
True. But the events described in the Bible were far more devastating than an annual flood. The three days of darkness and all that jazz. I'd rather not dig up the relevant passages as that requires effort, but the Bible speaks of devastating events. Volcanic explosions occuring simultaneously, ash blotting out the sun, etc.
It was a comet that struck North America a LONG time ago and by the time they were written down in the Bible it was most likely just an oral tradition.
Unless of course we had an antidilluvian civilization (I believe we did) that recorded it at the time but was wiped out.
It was a comet that struck North America a LONG time ago and by the time they were written down in the Bible it was most likely just an oral tradition.
Unless of course we had an antidilluvian civilization (I believe we did) that recorded it at the time but was wiped out.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 11:03 am to BoarEd
We know people in the olden days had a penchant for exaggeration. Greeks, Jews, Egyptians- that little corner of the world knew how to sell an event.
How long did it take Moses and the Jews to get from Egypt to Israel?
"40 Years!"
How many Soldiers did Xerxes have when he invaded Greece?
"Two Million!"
How many years did the Greeks besiege Troy?
"Ten Years!"
Remember how often metaphors are used and take any measurement of time, size, etc and divide it by roughly 10.
How long did it take Moses and the Jews to get from Egypt to Israel?
"40 Years!"
How many Soldiers did Xerxes have when he invaded Greece?
"Two Million!"
How many years did the Greeks besiege Troy?
"Ten Years!"
Remember how often metaphors are used and take any measurement of time, size, etc and divide it by roughly 10.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/14/18 at 11:41 am to KSGamecock
Good points, but IMO there is extra-biblical evidence to suggest the younger dryas event wiped out an antidilluvian civilization. And that this event was no doubt recorded by our ancestors. Which found its way to our Holy Texts a few thousand years later.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 12:42 pm to BoarEd
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Most all cultures around the world have a flood myth. I'm not saying that there was a worldwide flood, but it's pretty clear these people are referring to something devastating that did actually happen. My guess would be the younger dryas event that wiped out the megafauna.
I don't doubt that ancient civilizations dealt with devastating floods. The Bible seems to describe a global flood, though. And while that may be an exaggeration due to the limited scope of the time, well, Jesus might have been an exaggeration due to the limited knowledge of the time.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 12:44 pm to Globetrotter747
Jesus was a sorcerer, IMO.
I mean, the entire story describes blood magic. Pretty obvious really.
I mean, the entire story describes blood magic. Pretty obvious really.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:10 pm to BoarEd
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Jesus was a sorcerer, IMO.
If you honestly believe everything I've seen you post in this forum, you definitely have a unique perspective.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 1:11 pm to Globetrotter747
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you definitely have a unique perspective.
Dude just called you 'tarded.
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