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re: Can you guys explain why?

Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:00 am to
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
44763 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:00 am to
quote:

Your answer can't be just have faith, God's will, or any other cop out of the sort. I need a real argument. Go.


This sort of stuff is nearly impossible to explain in general, but especially over the internet. I asked a buddy of mine who is in seminary to help you out because it genuinely seems like you want an answer for this. I'm just going to summarize what he said. He said that from a Christian perspective, that the world was never supposed to be like this, but once sin entered the world became a perversion of what it was originally supposed to look like. God has the power to save people from bad things happening, but in order to do that He would have to destroy the world and completely start over like He did with Noah and the ark. Instead of doing that, He defeated sin on the cross and helps people fight through sin. Sin and its effects will be here as long as this earth is still here but God isn't finished with the earth yet. So ultimately, God doesn't like it at all when babies die or bad things happen, but there is hope in the cross because that is where God kills sin and death once and for all. People who believe and follow Jesus will one day have the life they always hoped for, they just have to wait it out for now, as they cling to God for strength in a world filled with sin.

Sorry for the long message but I hope what he said helps you out a little bit.


This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 9:43 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46657 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:17 am to
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He said that from a Christian perspective, that the world was never supposed to be like this, but once sin entered the world became a perversion of what it was originally supposed to look like.


God is omnipotent, he doesn't get to blame his creation for his fault of creation. He knew we would sin and created us anyway.

quote:

He did with Noah and the ark.


Never happened, scientific fact.

quote:

Instead of doing that, He defeated sin on the cross and helps people fight through sin.


If God first tried the Noah route, then the Jesus route, he is by definition not perfect or omnipotent. Christianity only works with an imperfect God which no Christian will admit to.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
70096 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:25 am to
Go to bed Roger
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134050 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:51 am to
Incorrect on all counts.
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
51146 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:04 am to
Roger, you're bringing God down to your human way of thinking. His thoughts are not our thoughts. His ways are not our ways. You're officially too smart to be a Christian. Congrats.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:11 am to
quote:

capricious


What do pants have to do with this? jk
Posted by Mr.Sinister
South Carolina
Member since Dec 2012
4956 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:19 am to
quote:

BlackHelicopterPilot


Are you a Black Helicopterpilot?

or

Are you a Blackhelicopter pilot?


just was curious is all. TIA.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52837 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:05 am to
quote:

Are you a Black Helicopterpilot?

or

Are you a Blackhelicopter pilot?



Why can't it be BOTH?


:racist:





Posted by Mr.Sinister
South Carolina
Member since Dec 2012
4956 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:39 am to
well it could be both, was just wondering.


Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
44071 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:45 am to
God created an imperfect world and allows good/bad things to happen.

You don't get a life away from pain/suffering/disease until Heaven.

Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
5778 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:15 am to
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
44763 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:58 am to
quote:

If God first tried the Noah route, then the Jesus route, he is by definition not perfect or omnipotent. Christianity only works with an imperfect God which no Christian will admit to.


Man, I'm not trying to argue with you on this, especially over the internet. I'm just trying to help the guy out that looked like he sincerely wanted it.
Posted by Pilgrim Shadow
Member since Nov 2012
87 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 11:08 am to
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This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 9:58 am
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 4:00 pm to
BB I did some reading and this is what works for me





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