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Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:10 pm to Rex Feral
Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:10 pm to Rex Feral
I have met and spent time around both
Mitch makes deals with the Commies at the expense of his own constituents and that should never get him elected the first place. While possibly the most powerful member of Congress ...
Got Fort Knox shut down (35K - 45K direct jobs, and 2.5 to 5.0 multiplier)
Got USPS processing center in CKY shut down (3k jobs starting at 40K and up to 280K)
Lost NKY hub (which cost KY the Toyota NA Headquarters and others to relocate outside KY)
Aside from all that he is a confirmed Sodomite
As for Trump, I spent time around him and his family and the "public" image is far different from the real image. Says he will "drain the swamp" while neglecting to tell the public that he is part of the swamp.
We need a real candidate (from either side) that quits pandering to the Commies and Corporations and actually get back to working for the benefit of the actual citizens of the USA. The American Public is easily fooled by the wolves in sheep clothing from both parties and until they demand better we will continue to be sold this same old crap.
Bush Jr vs Kerry (both were Skull & Bones at Yale)
Obama and Chaney are related through Obama's maternal side
Hillary vs Trump (both were crap)
Biden vs Trump (both were crap, Harris is worse)
350 million folks in the USA and we keep electing POTUS from the same gene pool? If we want real representative government we need to boot the far left and the far right and let the moderates (Like Ike) really make America great*
Trump stole MAGA from Ronald Regan, I was alive back then and remember Regan talking about it first.
Mitch makes deals with the Commies at the expense of his own constituents and that should never get him elected the first place. While possibly the most powerful member of Congress ...
Got Fort Knox shut down (35K - 45K direct jobs, and 2.5 to 5.0 multiplier)
Got USPS processing center in CKY shut down (3k jobs starting at 40K and up to 280K)
Lost NKY hub (which cost KY the Toyota NA Headquarters and others to relocate outside KY)
Aside from all that he is a confirmed Sodomite
As for Trump, I spent time around him and his family and the "public" image is far different from the real image. Says he will "drain the swamp" while neglecting to tell the public that he is part of the swamp.
We need a real candidate (from either side) that quits pandering to the Commies and Corporations and actually get back to working for the benefit of the actual citizens of the USA. The American Public is easily fooled by the wolves in sheep clothing from both parties and until they demand better we will continue to be sold this same old crap.
Bush Jr vs Kerry (both were Skull & Bones at Yale)
Obama and Chaney are related through Obama's maternal side
Hillary vs Trump (both were crap)
Biden vs Trump (both were crap, Harris is worse)
350 million folks in the USA and we keep electing POTUS from the same gene pool? If we want real representative government we need to boot the far left and the far right and let the moderates (Like Ike) really make America great*
Trump stole MAGA from Ronald Regan, I was alive back then and remember Regan talking about it first.
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:44 pm to Cheese Grits
If you were serious about this topic, you would touched on war and well-known former and current warmongers
Posted on 7/26/22 at 12:54 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
I am serious about this subject and was involved with keeping elections honest for close to half a century (I had no problem throwing either side in jail for electioneering) but I am just too damn old now and the kids today need to step and do their part but they are too distracted / influenced by social media and we are fast approaching the fiction of Idiocracy as future fact in the next generation or two.
My family fought (and some perished) in every battle from the French & Indian War to the conflicts in the Middle East and it shocks how quickly we have devalued Democracy since the "Greed is Good" mantra started in the 80's. Ben Franklin "borrowed" much of the framework of early America from the Iroquois Nation tho much of that fed to the public assorted in the Greeks and Romans.
My family fought (and some perished) in every battle from the French & Indian War to the conflicts in the Middle East and it shocks how quickly we have devalued Democracy since the "Greed is Good" mantra started in the 80's. Ben Franklin "borrowed" much of the framework of early America from the Iroquois Nation tho much of that fed to the public assorted in the Greeks and Romans.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:02 pm to Cheese Grits
As for most wars, they are fought for economic gain of the few at the expense of the masses with an "emotional" issue.
Capitalism does not work (The US Robber Barons of the 1800's)
Communism does network (Some Soviets are more equal than others)
Socialism does not work in practice because humans crave power
I am firm believer in Game Theory but believe it will never benefit the public because money and power can be be used to corrupt the process. James Buchanan pointed this out and won the Nobel Prize yet nobody has shifted from global monopolistic type monarchies to the local and regional ownership that helped America prosper for the past two hundred years.
Capitalism does not work (The US Robber Barons of the 1800's)
Communism does network (Some Soviets are more equal than others)
Socialism does not work in practice because humans crave power
I am firm believer in Game Theory but believe it will never benefit the public because money and power can be be used to corrupt the process. James Buchanan pointed this out and won the Nobel Prize yet nobody has shifted from global monopolistic type monarchies to the local and regional ownership that helped America prosper for the past two hundred years.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:48 pm to Cheese Grits
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As for most wars, they are fought for economic gain of the few at the expense of the masses with an "emotional" issue.
correct
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Capitalism does not work (The US Robber Barons of the 1800's)
Communism does network (Some Soviets are more equal than others)
Socialism does not work in practice because humans crave power
communism was created as a divide and conquer mechanism, as was Nazism (ETA: by the same people), although Nazism is practiced by the creators of both
to this day
and so many idiots are oblivious to it
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 7/29/22 at 4:00 pm to Cheese Grits
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Well Moscow Mitch and Commie loving pal Trump sure have not gotten involved.
Sounds like you're one of those brainwashed people on r/politics.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 4:06 pm to Cheese Grits
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Capitalism does not work (The US Robber Barons of the 1800's)
That's not capitalism. Corruption can ruin any system.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 4:55 pm to 3down10
I have know Mitch for longer than most of you have been alive. He is smart and I will give him that, but he has no soul and would not matter if he were a D or R. Same with Trump. There are good Republicans out there, just not these two. If you are bored, catch "Face in the Crowd" with Andy Griffith from the 1950's for a more realistic view.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 5:02 pm to Cheese Grits
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I have know Mitch for longer than most of you have been alive. He is smart and I will give him that, but he has no soul and would not matter if he were a D or R. Same with Trump. There are good Republicans out there, just not these two. If you are bored, catch "Face in the Crowd" with Andy Griffith from the 1950's for a more realistic view.
All I need to know about Trump is who he pisses off.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 5:13 pm to 3down10
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That's not capitalism.
Actually it is. True Capitalism is "hands off" and expects leaders to accumulate wealth and power so the Robber Barons, Monopolistic Trusts, and Company Towns are a direct effect because the true goal is not free markets (that would be better represented by say Game Theory) but markets owned by the few with little or no government policy to incorporate the human element of corporate ownership.
Google, Amazon, and Facebook enjoy power to manipulate the system for their sole benefit would be envied by most of the Robber Barons of the 1800's. Slavery and Indentured servitude of the 1800's has been replaced by Wage Slavery today. Like Socialism and Communism, power is concentrated to fewer and fewer people for their own benefit over the good of the citizens.
The better solution is creating truly free markets (probably by reverting to local and regional ownership) that allow accumulation of wealth based on true companies that create long term wealth and innovation by counting the human intellect in the asset value determination. Companies that had long term success (like GE and the original AT&T) had large "off balance sheet" assets in the brains of those who worked there.
ESOP's are probably a better long term strategy than Private Equity and MBA bean counters that rose in the 80's with the MBA boon and the "Greed is Good" mantra.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 5:38 pm to Cheese Grits
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Actually it is. True Capitalism is "hands off" and expects leaders to accumulate wealth and power so the Robber Barons, Monopolistic Trusts, and Company Towns are a direct effect because the true goal is not free markets (that would be better represented by say Game Theory) but markets owned by the few with little or no government policy to incorporate the human element of corporate ownership.
Google, Amazon, and Facebook enjoy power to manipulate the system for their sole benefit would be envied by most of the Robber Barons of the 1800's. Slavery and Indentured servitude of the 1800's has been replaced by Wage Slavery today. Like Socialism and Communism, power is concentrated to fewer and fewer people for their own benefit over the good of the citizens.
The better solution is creating truly free markets (probably by reverting to local and regional ownership) that allow accumulation of wealth based on true companies that create long term wealth and innovation by counting the human intellect in the asset value determination. Companies that had long term success (like GE and the original AT&T) had large "off balance sheet" assets in the brains of those who worked there.
ESOP's are probably a better long term strategy than Private Equity and MBA bean counters that rose in the 80's with the MBA boon and the "Greed is Good" mantra.
No.
The idea that a free market allows corruption as part of it's system is ridiculous.
Actual definition of capitalism:
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an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
"an era of free-market capitalism"
What you are talking about is closer to corporatism/fascism.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 5:47 pm to 3down10
From the American Heritage dictionary ...
1 An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
There are no real "free markets" just the myths of such
2 The state of having capital or property; possession of capital.
This is the rub, few have capital, much like capital under Feudalism and Monarchies of old Europe
3 The concentration or massing of capital in the hands of a few; also, the power or influence of large or combined capital.
Again, when few control the "capital" the markets can not be "free"
I again say "Capitalism" is used when the theory many to believe Capitalism should be is actually the fair markets expressed by Game Theory.
1 An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
There are no real "free markets" just the myths of such
2 The state of having capital or property; possession of capital.
This is the rub, few have capital, much like capital under Feudalism and Monarchies of old Europe
3 The concentration or massing of capital in the hands of a few; also, the power or influence of large or combined capital.
Again, when few control the "capital" the markets can not be "free"
I again say "Capitalism" is used when the theory many to believe Capitalism should be is actually the fair markets expressed by Game Theory.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 6:02 pm to Cheese Grits
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From the American Heritage dictionary ...
1 An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
There are no real "free markets" just the myths of such
2 The state of having capital or property; possession of capital.
This is the rub, few have capital, much like capital under Feudalism and Monarchies of old Europe
3 The concentration or massing of capital in the hands of a few; also, the power or influence of large or combined capital.
Again, when few control the "capital" the markets can not be "free"
I again say "Capitalism" is used when the theory many to believe Capitalism should be is actually the fair markets expressed by Game Theory.
A free market does not mean a market in which fraud and corruption should be allowed.
When you have corporations and such buying politicians and things for their own benefit, it is no longer capitalism, it's fascism. That's basically where the US is now, and it gets that way due to unchecked fraud and corruption.
I'm not sure why you ignored the economic system definition and went with a definition that is not about the economic system.
Also not sure where you got the other 2 definitions, as only the 1st one exists when I searched it.
https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=capitalism
Posted on 7/29/22 at 6:25 pm to 3down10
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A free market does not mean a market in which fraud and corruption should be allowed.
We can agree on this, but in reality fraud and corruption are allowed (See James Buchanan's work on Public Choice Theory) and have been for quite some time. That is why what we think Capitalism is has no bearing in the reality the same way real Communism or real Socialism do not exit. In reality few can bens the ideology so only they profit at the expense of the citizens and long term strategic thinking.
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I'm not sure why you ignored the economic system definition and went with a definition that is not about the economic system.
I am a realist and would rather deal with reality than some perception of reality to manipulate the masses. We are taught (and believe) the USA was founded on the concepts of Democracy and The Republic (from the Greeks and Romans) as the basis for our early government when the reality was Ben Franklin incorporated what he saw in the governance of the Iroquois Nation in forming the framework of this new nation.
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Also not sure where you got the other 2 definitions, as only the 1st one exists when I searched it.
All 3 came up when I searched, which is why I posted all 3. my search was "Capitalism + Websters"
Posted on 7/29/22 at 6:34 pm to Cheese Grits
Back on point, Trump claiming to "drain the swamp" is window dressing to cover up the fact he "is the swamp".
I am not saying Republicans are all bad, when they are not
Not saying Democrats are all good either when clearly some are corrupt
The broader point being made is that instead of finding solutions they blame the other side while both pick your pockets clean with the distractions of "Us vs Them" that modern media benefits from financially as fear sells more ads that friendship. Years ago Rupert (who should not have been granted US citizenship) even said in an interview that he was not in the News business but the entertainment business.
I am not saying Republicans are all bad, when they are not
Not saying Democrats are all good either when clearly some are corrupt
The broader point being made is that instead of finding solutions they blame the other side while both pick your pockets clean with the distractions of "Us vs Them" that modern media benefits from financially as fear sells more ads that friendship. Years ago Rupert (who should not have been granted US citizenship) even said in an interview that he was not in the News business but the entertainment business.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 7:22 pm to Cheese Grits
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We can agree on this, but in reality fraud and corruption are allowed
It's a separate problem. The morality of the society is one of the biggest factors in the type of government they will get.
Furthermore, the centralization of power is the biggest contributor, and a decentralized government is much harder to take control over. It's taken the elites over 200 years to do this.
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I am a realist and would rather deal with reality than some perception of reality to manipulate the masses. We are taught (and believe) the USA was founded on the concepts of Democracy and The Republic (from the Greeks and Romans) as the basis for our early government when the reality was Ben Franklin incorporated what he saw in the governance of the Iroquois Nation in forming the framework of this new nation.
Not sure what this matters in reality even if true.
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All 3 came up when I searched, which is why I posted all 3. my search was "Capitalism + Websters"
Well the source you cited only has the 1.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 7:26 pm to Cheese Grits
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Back on point, Trump claiming to "drain the swamp" is window dressing to cover up the fact he "is the swamp".
Ok, name some reasons why.
Because all your posts really don't address any issues. Just a bunch of words with no real meaning as far as I can tell.
So far I've gathered:
Captialism is bad
Republicans that aren't rhinos are bad.
Fox News is bad.
And as a side note, the idea that news medias are operating that way because of ad sells is funny. It's also funny that you believe Fox News is the only news organization like this.
Also, are we going to ignore the federal reserve and fractional banking as a big part of the economic slavery in this country, or are we going to pretend that all money being created as debt, while the interest due can only be paid by the creation of new money(inflation) is capitalism?
Are we also going to call the constant transfer of wealth that occurs from the poor to the rich in this process capitalism?
Or is there a point where we call the specific corruptions out for what they are and address them?
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 7/29/22 at 7:59 pm to 3down10
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It's a separate problem.
We can agree to disagree on this point. They are part and parcel of the same plot of land.
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The morality of the society
Are we saying the morality of organized religion or the morality of the civilization? Indians could lay down to protest British rule but had the Germans ruled India they would have just added more coal to the boiler.
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It's taken the elites over 200 years to do this.
Part of my family fought in the French & Indian Wars and another part came through Ellis Island. Both were on the bottom end of the global social economic ladder and both escaped a global history of some form of primogeniture which meant the backbone of the USA were 2rd, 3rd, or 4th sons and daughters who could not inherit real property by law or decree. That is what really made America great, not some Ivy League silver spoon kid who has no idea what America is about because they have never had to work a real backbreaking job like farming, mining, or flipping burgers at McDonalds.
The titled Monarchy of old has just been replaced by the entitled Corporate Monarchy of the more modern world. Bill Gates was not a tech nerd, he came from a family of bankers and lawyers. Obama let the birther issue take center stage because it was cover to the wealth (banking) of his mothers family and relationships (Warren Buffet) to advance his career. Would we know of Sam Walton today if he did not marry into a strong banking family? Who is Trump without Daddy's $$$ and mob connections?
Dave Thomas may have been the last true Horatio Algier story because we are sold a narrative that "The Rich" are like us when in reality they are not. When this country was founded the 2 party system consisted of the Federalist (bankers, lawyers, landed gentry and such) and the Democratic - Republicans (farmers, merchants, and working class type folks). Henry Clay was the historic equivalent to Mitch McConnel in that he started out a Democratic Republican but flipped when his respected (but poor) father died and his mom married big money the 2nd time around. Clay learned well from his mother and chose a wife of immense wealth and power and flipped to the Federalist / Whigs.
We decry modern immigrants escaping the rest of the world the way our ancestors did because the 1% of the 1% have sold us a narrative they are corrupt the same way the early elite in the USA attacked the Irish, Italians, Poles, and other impoverished immigrants. Say what you will about Biden but I am fairly certain he is the 1st US president since WWI who did not come from the Ivy League, USMA's, or elite private colleges. 1 POTUS in 100 years from a state school seems a statistical anomaly.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:10 pm to Cheese Grits
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Part of my family fought in the French & Indian Wars and another part came through Ellis Island. Both were on the bottom end of the global social economic ladder and both escaped a global history of some form of primogeniture which meant the backbone of the USA were 2rd, 3rd, or 4th sons and daughters who could not inherit real property by law or decree. That is what really made America great, not some Ivy League silver spoon kid who has no idea what America is about because they have never had to work a real backbreaking job like farming, mining, or flipping burgers at McDonalds.
The titled Monarchy of old has just been replaced by the entitled Corporate Monarchy of the more modern world. Bill Gates was not a tech nerd, he came from a family of bankers and lawyers. Obama let the birther issue take center stage because it was cover to the wealth (banking) of his mothers family and relationships (Warren Buffet) to advance his career. Would we know of Sam Walton today if he did not marry into a strong banking family? Who is Trump without Daddy's $$$ and mob connections?
Dave Thomas may have been the last true Horatio Algier story because we are sold a narrative that "The Rich" are like us when in reality they are not. When this country was founded the 2 party system consisted of the Federalist (bankers, lawyers, landed gentry and such) and the Democratic - Republicans (farmers, merchants, and working class type folks). Henry Clay was the historic equivalent to Mitch McConnel in that he started out a Democratic Republican but flipped when his respected (but poor) father died and his mom married big money the 2nd time around. Clay learned well from his mother and chose a wife of immense wealth and power and flipped to the Federalist / Whigs.
We decry modern immigrants escaping the rest of the world the way our ancestors did because the 1% of the 1% have sold us a narrative they are corrupt the same way the early elite in the USA attacked the Irish, Italians, Poles, and other impoverished immigrants. Say what you will about Biden but I am fairly certain he is the 1st US president since WWI who did not come from the Ivy League, USMA's, or elite private colleges. 1 POTUS in 100 years from a state school seems a statistical anomaly.
Dude, I am not trying to grade your research paper full of shite that doesn't mean anything.
I don't give a frick where Biden is from or whatever, he fricking sucks. He's a piece of shite, he's always been a piece of shite, and he'll leave this world as a piece of shite. He's corrupt, doesn't give a shite about the people, and basically runs a crime family.
Dude takes showers with his own teenage daughter, and I'm supposed to give a shite or think he for some reason deserves bonus points because he didn't come from some background you deemed to be from some background you think wasn't "sold to the public"
You write all this shite and none of it has a real point to it. Nothing of actual substance. I have to wonder if you have any real understanding, or if you have just memorized things other people have said and done.
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 7/29/22 at 8:29 pm to 3down10
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Nothing of actual substance.
I stated in coherent form that both sides are part of the same hypocrisy and you go off on an anger tanget about Biden, showing that you have accepted the "blame the other guy" instead of standing on your own two feet and calling out both sides.
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I have to wonder if you have any real understanding, or if you have just memorized things other people have said and done.
I am an old guy who lived through history, not just picked up some sound byte on Twitter. I grew up working for the really rich so this is firsthand knowledge and experience not just some far right or far left pablum spread to appease the masses. If you are so brainwashed at this point to still accept the "blame the other side for your ills" line of chatter then you are willing to die on your knees than fight on your feet with your last breath to defend and protect a country who used to actually protect you.
FWIW, Biden may not have been part of the Elite, he has been working for them so long is just a hired servant at this time. Guy is from Delaware home of most of the Fortune 500 companies and how else would you get elected there if you did not do their bidding?
Wake up man!
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