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Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:24 pm to TT9
Well, if you're a smart Christian, and realize you can interpret the stories into many meanings and it's not all definitive, then tons
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:25 pm to CatFan81
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Pretty much an Atheist.
You can't be "Pretty Much an Atheist"
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:26 pm to Lee County Tiger
I don't believe that heaven waits for only those who congregate.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:27 pm to TT9
I'm not one of the loud and crazy Atheists that want to sue anyone and everyone to remove all signs of religion from everything.
Live and let live. As long it isn't shoved down my throat or in violation of the Constitution, I don't care what people do with their religion.
Say Merry Christmas to your hearts content. Go caroling. I don't care.
Live and let live. As long it isn't shoved down my throat or in violation of the Constitution, I don't care what people do with their religion.
Say Merry Christmas to your hearts content. Go caroling. I don't care.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:28 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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You can't be "Pretty Much an Atheist" .
I'm an Atheist. Better?
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:28 pm to TT9
Ain't nothing wrong with that.
Two of my favorite sayings: "church is where you make it" and "if you can't have fun in church, it's not worth going"
Two of my favorite sayings: "church is where you make it" and "if you can't have fun in church, it's not worth going"
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:29 pm to CatFan81
quote:hey, i don't like anything shoved down my throat either.
As long it isn't shoved down my throat
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:37 pm to CatFan81
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As long it isn't shoved down my throat
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:49 pm to CatFan81
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Live and let live. As long it isn't shoved down my throat or in violation of the Constitution, I don't care what people do with their religion.
Say Merry Christmas to your hearts content. Go caroling. I don't care.
That's not Atheism.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 8:55 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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That's not Atheism.
Atheism is the belief that there is no god. I believe that there is no god.
I'm not a militant Atheist. There is such a thing.
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 5/23/13 at 9:18 pm to CatFan81
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I'm not a militant Atheist.
That's good to know, because militant Theists would kick the shite out of militant Atheists.
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There is such a thing.
I know. The Korean People's Army are militant Atheists.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 9:32 pm to Vols&Shaft83
You read one post and ignore the entire flow of discussion in the thread. My whole point was to try and point out how blaming Islam for the actions of a few who use it as a means to an end is the same as blaming Christianity for these actions. Although you really did not disprove any of my claims. Except for the fake quote about atheist never starting a war.
Spanish Inquisition - simply an example. torture, forced conversion and death.
Crusades - again, you do not disagree with me. I never said evil people have never use Islam for their own ends. In fact I said the opposite.
Holocaust - again you agreed with me. Christianity was used as Islam is being used by many people with their own agenda
As far as colonialism goes, if you had read my post you would see where I said there were missionaries on nearly all the ships and I believe they were involved in spreading disease in order to conquer the natives. Correct me if I am wrong as it has been a long time since I last took a history course. I know that spreading Christianity was used as the excuse to enslave native Americans. Spread the Christian beliefs in order to save others. Similar to how many of these warlords / terror cell grouos use Islam in ordr to try and wreck gov and order by expelling western ideas so they can remain in control.
Spanish Inquisition - simply an example. torture, forced conversion and death.
Crusades - again, you do not disagree with me. I never said evil people have never use Islam for their own ends. In fact I said the opposite.
Holocaust - again you agreed with me. Christianity was used as Islam is being used by many people with their own agenda
As far as colonialism goes, if you had read my post you would see where I said there were missionaries on nearly all the ships and I believe they were involved in spreading disease in order to conquer the natives. Correct me if I am wrong as it has been a long time since I last took a history course. I know that spreading Christianity was used as the excuse to enslave native Americans. Spread the Christian beliefs in order to save others. Similar to how many of these warlords / terror cell grouos use Islam in ordr to try and wreck gov and order by expelling western ideas so they can remain in control.
Posted on 5/23/13 at 10:26 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Spanish Inquisition - simply an example. torture, forced conversion and death.
And every religion has become more civilized 500 years later, besides Islam. They seem to be stuck in that primitive era.
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Crusades - again, you do not disagree with me. I never said evil people have never use Islam for their own ends. In fact I said the opposite.
I think you misunderstood me, do you even know what preceded the Crusades?
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Holocaust - again you agreed with me. Christianity was used as Islam is being used by many people with their own agenda
You really should read what is actually in the Koran. The Koran's agenda is quite clear. You don't need a radical dictator's agenda, the Koran's is scary enough.
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As far as colonialism goes, if you had read my post you would see where I said there were missionaries on nearly all the ships and I believe they were involved in spreading disease in order to conquer the natives
Are you seriously suggesting that Missionaries had weaponized Smallpox, IN THE MOTHER frickING 15TH CENTURY?
This post was edited on 5/23/13 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 5/24/13 at 7:07 am to BluegrassBelle
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And as Bird said, the KKK and their works in the name of a warped sense of Christianity isn't exactly that long ago either.
Just to be clear, I think the white supremacist organizations are a despicable, disgusting group of moronic THUG POS' s. But your comparison is simply ridiculous.
Islamic extremists have killed & tortured more innocent people this month than the KKK has in the last 50 years COMBINED.
Know how many TOTAL people have been killed in so called "Christian" acts of terrorism against abortion clinics since Roe V. Wade in 1973?
7. Yes SEVEN. Not 7 Million, not 7000, not 700, NOT EVEN 70, frickING 7.
More people are killed by Duck Billed Platypus. Think about that, THE frickING PLATYPUS epidemic is more deadly than the Christian terrorists.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 7:29 am
Posted on 5/24/13 at 7:30 am to Vols&Shaft83
In those times a blanket used by someone whi dies frim smallpox was a weapon. And I said it has been a long time, so if i am wrong about the smallpox thing i apologize. the point remains the same that during colonialism, the Spanish used the excuse of needing to spread the Christian faith in order to save the native or barbarian people. You know who went with them to spread the faith? Missionaries.
I am aware of Islams violent history as well which is why I said that about the period before the crusades. A lot happened which led up to the first crusade so I don't know if you are speaking of a specific event or just general terms of the centuries of violence.
All I was trying to do is point out that the chastising of an entire faith on either side is foolish. The bible has calls for violence in it as well, I read it cover to cover growing up, although I will admit it has been many years.
If western society reacts so harshly to people of the entire religion we are only making the teachings of the terrorist leaders true, and we will simply be breeding an entire new generation that will want to wage war. Regardless of faith, people should strike down evil and have compassion for those innocents who must suffer injustice and tyranny. Many Christians follow this as do many muslims, Buddhists, etc. and make it work within their own faith.
I will try to not argue any more and will close by saying that the human population is crossing a threshold where the resources needed, both material and human, are only available on a global scale. In the coming years in order to feed the world, and work on our advancement we need wordly cooperation on a level that to be honest is hindered by certain aspects of EVERY religion.
I am aware of Islams violent history as well which is why I said that about the period before the crusades. A lot happened which led up to the first crusade so I don't know if you are speaking of a specific event or just general terms of the centuries of violence.
All I was trying to do is point out that the chastising of an entire faith on either side is foolish. The bible has calls for violence in it as well, I read it cover to cover growing up, although I will admit it has been many years.
If western society reacts so harshly to people of the entire religion we are only making the teachings of the terrorist leaders true, and we will simply be breeding an entire new generation that will want to wage war. Regardless of faith, people should strike down evil and have compassion for those innocents who must suffer injustice and tyranny. Many Christians follow this as do many muslims, Buddhists, etc. and make it work within their own faith.
I will try to not argue any more and will close by saying that the human population is crossing a threshold where the resources needed, both material and human, are only available on a global scale. In the coming years in order to feed the world, and work on our advancement we need wordly cooperation on a level that to be honest is hindered by certain aspects of EVERY religion.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 7:32 am
Posted on 5/24/13 at 7:30 am to Vols&Shaft83
I've briefly perused the thread and noticed a couple of things...
Christian faith doesn't lead itself well to martyrdom. Islamic teaching promise virgins and and other stuff.
The difference for me is that these particular terrorists think they are going to heaven for committing acts of atrocity.
WTF
Christian faith doesn't lead itself well to martyrdom. Islamic teaching promise virgins and and other stuff.
The difference for me is that these particular terrorists think they are going to heaven for committing acts of atrocity.
WTF
Posted on 5/24/13 at 7:33 am to roadGator
They have certainly brainwashed what seems like an entire generation.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 8:28 am to roadGator
To get back to the op, this is sick and ridiculous. I don't care which religious banner it's done under.
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