re: BLM and the Chicago Kidnapping/Torture Case

He's also alt-touched-in-the-head

Oh now ISWYDT

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It's not racism, it's facts. Google it.

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I'm talking about your quip about my IQ being that low having to do with my race, you idiot.

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when I point to facts about blacks and their rather dull and unimaginative God king you cry racism.

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I wasn't talking about MLK, nor is he my God king. See above, quit flailing around. Also, I didn't bring him up--you did, you imbecile.

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Your assertions are wrong

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My assertion about the cause the confederacy fought for was correct. Proof has already been posted multiple times. Which you continue to ignore.

And don't think I didn't notice you ignoring my answer to your question of how I voted. Pendejo.

ETA: Funny how you talked about "canned" responses earlier, when literally all you've done since you entered this thread is just that--give canned confederate apologist responses, canned/unfounded claims of racism, and canned racially tinged barbs toward me. I have not once disparaged your race, but you can't help but go there. Telling.

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Or how about Iraq, we've been there now for almost 14 years, do you believe those who continue to enlist and fight in Iraq do so for WMD?

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So slavery existed in Mississippi like WMDs existed in Iraq. How old are you? Please don't tell me you've graduated high school.

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TeLeFaWx

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These are not difficult concepts. Cognitive dissonance is strong here.

I'm saying in the same sense no body went and enlisted to actually fight in Iraq over WMD's , nobody went to fight for the richest people in their societies property.

Just like nobody is enlisting to go fight for Afghani women's rights, regardless of what our politicians say, no Northern ever laid foot on Southern soil to deny forced servitude. They could have staid home and done that.

This is not hard stuff.

No way Johnny Reb walked his arse across the Manogahala Forest than the Shenandoah Valkey to Lexington, VA to enlist to keep some cotton farmer in business in the Mississippi Delta.

No way Billy Yank left his dry goods store in Indiana to go free The Negro in South Carolina. These are 19th Century people we are talking about here.

The Emancipation Proclamation was about three things.

1. Make it politically impossible for a European Nation to ally with The Cinfederacy.
2. Attempt to obstruct Southern agriculture.
3. Give The North something to fight for.

Why y'all are wrong ( some more ) President of The United States Andrew Johnson wanted to allow Southern States back into The Union without abolishing slavery and that's exactly what Grant agreed to at Appomattox Court House.

The 13th Amendment was ratified by Northern States until 1868. When Grant became POTUS that is when all this slavery revisionist history began with the reunification laws.

Lee stopped to see President Grant at The White House about his reneging on The Peace Agreement - Grant could not face Lee nor utter so much as a sentence.

If you do not understand at this point, there nothing else I can do for you.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. .?.?. A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

If you do not understand at this point, there nothing else I can do for you.

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One last time, no way a 19th Century White Male leaves his home and family to endure the hardships of war to help or hinder Negroes. Do you at least understand that? There were terrible riots in the North that prove my point.

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"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. .?.?. A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization."

"I have no purpose, to directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exist."
Abraham Lincoln first inauguration
The Emancipation Proclamation was about keeping Europe (mainly England) from entering the war on the side of the Confederacy cause England had been having communications with the CSA.
The common Northerner or Southerner wasn't worried about a slave or slavery when they was trying to kill each other on the battlefield.
The rich slave owners and government officials didn't want slavery to end cause cotton was a big economic resource, northeners and free blacks did also own slaves.
A southerner like Robert E Lee in Northern Virginia viewed the cause more as a 2nd Revolutionary War, so he wouldn't necessarily hold the same view as a plantation owner in Mississippi.
The best way to learn about how people felt during the war is to read the soldiers letters and journals they wrote throughout the war.

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I'm saying in the same sense no body went and enlisted to actually fight in Iraq over WMD's , nobody went to fight for the richest people in their societies property.

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Slavery gave poor white southerners someone to look down upon and place beneath themselves on the social ladder. It's a well documented sentiment in the old south.

Additionally, it was part of their culture. They fought to protect this culture.

Obama pulled the troops out of Iraq several years ago. it was dumb b/c the peace had largely been won. now ISIS controls much of the country and all our soldiers died for nothing.