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re: Biggest douche bag play of the day
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:32 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:32 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Chain o command mayne. 
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:47 pm to PrivatePublic
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seriously, why is this offensive
So many dumbasses in this thread
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:07 pm to Robert Goulet
You are correct. I am mistaken. I was making a play off of this: LINK
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:08 pm to BillyBobPorkin
If this is offensive to you, then you are looking for something to be offended at.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:18 pm to pvilleguru
Not sure which is worse, dumbasses like you that don't understand how this is insulting or the fact that the President doesn't know any better.
He has 2 options on that clip, salute properly or choose not to. Either is appropriate.
He has 2 options on that clip, salute properly or choose not to. Either is appropriate.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:19 pm to BillyBobPorkin
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So many dumbasses in this thread
Because they aren't as sensitive as you?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:21 pm to BillyBobPorkin
Obama has rustled you so bad that you're just latching onto anything about him that you can get rustled about. Obama isn't the first President with questionable saluting form and he won't be the last. It's expected, he's a civilian after all and you check down, not up.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Because they aren't as sensitive as you?
You are in this thread, why? You didn't even know what the frick happened until you read it further.
Have you served? Will you serve? If your answer is no to both, then shut the frick up.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:24 pm to KSGamecock
President lolbama is a walking embarrassment
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:29 pm to BillyBobPorkin
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Have you served? Will you serve? If your answer is no to both, then shut the frick up.
Lol, so now we're lording military service over people like a bludgeon and not allowing career civilians to have opinions? You started the thread on a message board, people will comment, that's how this shite works.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:29 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Incorrect. Military position held by a civilian.
Incorrect incorrect. The president does not enlist, and is not subject to court martial or military discipline. He's not military.
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The Commander-in-Chief a Civilian Officer.—Is the Commander-in-Chiefship a military or a civilian office in the contemplation of the Constitution? Unquestionably the latter. An opinion by a New York surrogate deals adequately, though not authoritatively, with the subject: “The President receives his compensation for his services, rendered as Chief Executive of the Nation, not for the individual parts of his duties. No part of his compensation is paid from sums appropriated for the military or naval forces; and it is equally clear under the Constitution that the President’s duties as Commander in Chief represent only a part of duties ex officio as Chief Executive [Article II, sections 2 and 3 of the Constitution] and that the latter’s office is a civil office. [Article II, section 1 of the Constitution ... .] The President does not enlist in, and he is not inducted or drafted into, the armed forces. Nor, is he subject to court-martial or other military discipline. On the contrary, Article II, section 4 of the Constitution provides that ‘The President, [Vice President] and All Civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of Treason, Bribery or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.’ . . . The last two War Presidents, President Wilson and President Roosevelt, both clearly recognized the civilian nature of the President’s position as Commander in Chief. President Roosevelt, in his Navy Day Campaign speech at Shibe Park, Philadelphia, on October 27, 1944, pronounced this principle as follows:–‘It was due to no accident and no oversight that the framers of our Constitution put the command of our armed forces under civilian authority. It is the duty of the Commander in Chief to appoint the Secretaries of War and Navy and the Chiefs of Staff.’ It is also to be noted that the Secretary of War, who is the regularly constituted organ of the President for the administration of the military establishment of the Nation, has been held by the Supreme Court of the United States to be merely a civilian officer, not in military service. (United States v. Burns, 79 U.S. 246 (1871)). On the general principle of civilian supremacy over the military, by virtue of the Constitution, it has recently been said: ‘The supremacy of the civil over the military is one of our great heritages.’ Duncan v. Kahanamoku, 327 U.S. 304, 325 (1945).”199
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I know it doesn't mean shite in the grand scheme of things...except to say whether or not the dude should salute...but still, I'M RIGHT DAMMIT.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Splitting hairs here, and I hate to bring an actual debate to such a great thread. But the position of CiC being a civilian position is pretty much settled with regards to the courts (Duncan v. Kahanamoku, and Wallace v. United States).
Anyway... how has life been in Warrensburg?
ETA: god damnit Privatepublic! The one research paper I write when I was pre-law and you have to go steal my thunder.
Anyway... how has life been in Warrensburg?
ETA: god damnit Privatepublic! The one research paper I write when I was pre-law and you have to go steal my thunder.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:30 pm to BillyBobPorkin
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You are in this thread, why? You didn't even know what the frick happened until you read it further.
I, like many others, saw nothing particularly offensive about the picture. Upon hearing what was apparently so offensive to some, I simply said that it was an incredible reach by those looking for something to be upset about.
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Have you served? Will you serve? If your answer is no to both, then shut the frick up.
I fail to see how that is relevant, given that I'm perfectly capable of noticing things that actually ARE offensive regarding the treatment of military personnel.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:31 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Stalin
Hey now. Don't hate on Stalin, he was pretty cool if you like killing people on a biblical scale.
Not that I like that.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:35 pm to PrivatePublic
i don't think that makes you right
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:35 pm to SEC. 593
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how has life been in Warrensburg?
Same ol' same ol' in west central Missourah
Actually getting ready to go to work right now (wasn't ignoring you). Not really interested in splitting hairs about the military/civilian nature of the CiC anymore, but I'll defer to the court cases you cited, as they're outside my realm of expertise
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:35 pm to SEC. 593
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Splitting hairs here, and I hate to bring an actual debate to such a great thread. But the position of CiC being a civilian position is pretty much settled with regards to the courts (Duncan v. Kahanamoku, and Wallace v. United States).
Anyway... how has life been in Warrensburg?
ETA: god damnit Privatepublic! The one research paper I write when I was pre-law and you have to go steal my thunder.
The funny thing about those cases is that they were brought up because of promotions or lack of them.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:39 pm to PrivatePublic
None of what you posted contradicts with what we're saying. We didn't say he enlisted or commissioned, we said he's a civilian in a military position, that of commander-in-chief. Commander, a military position. Companies have Captains, Battalions have Lieutenant Colonels, Brigades have Colonels, Divisions and Corps have Generals and the Services have the President. He is a commander. He's not subject to UCMJ but it doesn't matter, it's a unique position. He's a civilian in a military position.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
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was an incredible reach by those looking for something to be upset about
Unless you have served, then you won't ever understand.
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noticing things that actually ARE offensive regarding the treatment of military personnel.
Unless you have served, then you won't ever understand.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:44 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Same ol' same ol' in west central Missourah
I actually like the town. A buddy of mine moved there when the rest of us went to CoMo. He ended up managing a tea-shop for a bit and then moved out of west and opened up a hugely successful store of his own.
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