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Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:35 pm to Charlestondawg
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:35 pm to Charlestondawg
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Christianity is one of the most accepting religions in the world.
It may be the most "accepting" of the monotheistic religions, but only recently has it become so and it certainly isnt more accepting than Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, etc.
And its tough to call a religion accepting when, by virtue of dogmatic moral claims, certain inherent qualities of humans are deemed sinful.
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I don't see anyone going nuts over Islam which is waaaaay anti homosexuality. Why? Because uh oh: now we have two PC topics you can't condemn, Islam and homosexuality. So misdirect toward Christianity.
Because Islam isnt a significant demographic in America, and western condemnation of Islam typically results in poor outcomes for westerners in the middle east.
Say what you will about their tactics, but Islam doesnt frick around.
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Say what you will about their tactics, but Islam doesnt frick around.
That being said, what if Christianity didn't **** around and was as militant?
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:42 pm to AUbused
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You don't hear about Islam because it isn't in most peoples faces and mostly has affects overseas. The whole idea that Muslims are somehow "protected" is a bullshite right winger fantasy. Fundamentalist Muslims are just as retarded as fundy Christians.....
Nah, our christian fundamentalists arent as bad as muslim fundies. To be frank, Muslim fundies take it way more seriously and they dont tolerate derogatory remarks towards their beliefs.
We should all be grateful that christians by and large dont take their faith as seriously in this country as muslims do in the middle east. Otherwise, we would have an overwhelming majority ardently pushing pseudo-theocratic ideals. If every christian in America voted and threw their money behind their supposed beliefs, they would do literally whatever they wanted politically and socially.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
So we should be thankful that Christians think independently or aren't serious about their beliefs?
One of the two.
One of the two.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:49 pm to 3nOut
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That being said, what if Christianity didn't **** around and was as militant?
America would be a christian theocracy, in practice if not necessarily in name.
70% of America claims christianity, it would be an unstoppable political and social force if they all banded together behind the claims of the bible. Abortion would be illegal, premarital sex would be illegal, divorce would largely be illegal, gay marriage would be illegal everywhere, strip clubs and the porn industry would cease to exist, etc.
Luckily, most christians dont care enough or dont agree with the morals of the faith they claim.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:53 pm to 3nOut
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So we should be thankful that Christians think independently or aren't serious about their beliefs?
One of the two.
Its both.
American christians, as a group, are far mire knowledgable and educated than middle eastern muslims. They are not raised in a society that punishes independent thought and thus have the freedom to do so.
That being said, yes, a great majority of christians either disagree with or just dont care enough about the claims of the bible to act militantly on them. There are fundamentalists who do, and seeing these people gives us insight into what a country run by people like that would be.
The US is at the whim of christianity anytime it decides to band together and take a collective stand.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Luckily, most christians dont care enough or dont agree with the morals of the faith they claim.
I care and agree with those morals and live them out to the best of my ability, but as covered in the other thread, I don't demand that my morals be made law to people who don't have my beliefs.
There's middle ground... as much as people like AUbused doesn't want to believe it.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:08 pm to 3nOut
Thats fine, but you cannot argue that "lukewarm" christianity isnt the norm in America today.
People, including christians, just dont wanna rock the boat.
People, including christians, just dont wanna rock the boat.
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:17 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Lot of gay marriage in China, dip shite?
When using a derogatory term for someone's lack of intelligence, it's pivotal to spell the word correctly.
Secondly, there's not a whole lot of gay marriage in Christian America, either.
Thirdly, did you miss the part where Atheism is a staggering minority to the religious in China? It may be a secular government but at most 12% of the nation is actually completely irreligious.
Dipshit.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:13 pm to Stacked
I loved every boner inducing second of it.
I especially enjoyed how much racist homophobes from the south were/are freaking out about it.
Here's to hoping Michael Sam has a long and productive career...and making out on camera whenever he can.
I especially enjoyed how much racist homophobes from the south were/are freaking out about it.
Here's to hoping Michael Sam has a long and productive career...and making out on camera whenever he can.
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 5:05 pm to Roger Klarvin
I agree....in America. But Iisnt it Christians in Africa who just estates the death penalty for homosexuals? Anyway, fundamentalist anything tends toward retardation.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 6:09 pm to 3nOut
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AUbused is the most hateful person in this thread.
Is this the cat that was saying the Christian is/will die out?
Many hammers have been broken on the anvil of the Christian Church.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 6:19 pm to Ted2010
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:11 pm to AUbused
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I agree....in America. But Iisnt it Christians in Africa who just estates the death penalty for homosexuals? Anyway, fundamentalist anything tends toward retardation.
Anybody calling for the death of people is not a Christian. Don't pretend like anybody in this board endorses that.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:19 pm to 3nOut
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I care and agree with those morals and live them out to the best of my ability, but as covered in the other thread, I don't demand that my morals be made law to people who don't have my beliefs.
There's middle ground... as much as people like AUbused doesn't want to believe it.
Which is a fair and just stance, but I think it implies a belief that living a more Christian life, you can rid yourself of homosexuality. Which just isn't the case. You can't pray away the gay.
I can sympathize with the idea of divine forgiveness, and it's the part of Christianity I like the most. I just don't think homosexuality is something the gays need to be forgiven for. It's who they are and how they were made.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 8:08 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I can sympathize with the idea of divine forgiveness, and it's the part of Christianity I like the most. I just don't think homosexuality is something the gays need to be forgiven for. It's who they are and how they were made.
Absolutely not (needing to be forgiven for being gay). Now I don't mean to be preachy here, but that's the crux of my stance in the issue.
Michael Sam doesn't need forgiveness for being gay and you don't need forgiveness for fornicating with your sister's babysitter.
We just need forgiveness. If you go team Jesus, great, let's work on those things, but each is minor compared to our need of grace.
I am personally under the impression that while I'll call it sin, you can struggle with it to the grave and still be redeemed on judgment day.
I sure hope so at least.
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 8:18 pm to 3nOut
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Absolutely not (needing to be forgiven for being gay). Now I don't mean to be preachy here, but that's the crux of my stance in the issue.
That might be your stance, but that is not the stance the aggregate of Christians take on this issue.
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Michael Sam doesn't need forgiveness for being gay and you don't need forgiveness for fornicating with your sister's babysitter.
I agree.
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We just need forgiveness.
I love the idea of divine forgiveness.
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If you go team Jesus, great, let's work on those things, but each is minor compared to our need of grace.
Starting to flirt with a distortion I have never been able to agree with.
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I am personally under the impression that while I'll call it sin, you can struggle with it to the grave and still be redeemed on judgment day.
That's fine. Never believed the only way to eternal salvation(if such a concept of eternity even exists, that sort of sounds meaningless) was accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. If you're one of the Christians that believes in Judgement Day, I commend you. I think it is a more noble stance.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 8:23 pm to TeLeFaWx
Dammit. You were supposed to take the bait
Posted on 5/11/14 at 8:24 pm to 3nOut
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Dammit. You were supposed to take the bait
Posted on 5/11/14 at 8:31 pm to TeLeFaWx
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That might be your stance, but that is not the stance the aggregate of Christians take on this issue.
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That's fine. Never believed the only way to eternal salvation(if such a concept of eternity even exists, that sort of sounds meaningless) was accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. If you're one of the Christians that believes in Judgement Day, I commend you. I think it is a more noble stance.
On a serious note, understood on all accounts.
I'm not saying " I have it right" but I know a lot of those "aggregate Christians" are really wrong.
One attitude will not win anything but a prefect soul to Christ and one stands a chance to win some flawed souls.
I know it's all Jesusy, but I wish people knew there were some of us out there that can still have a strong opinion without hating anybody.
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