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re: Am I the only one pulling for the Night King?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:44 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:44 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Well she also had to be on hand for her own father's beheading and spent her adolescence in exile running for her life so it's not like it was all peaches and cream
Which are pretty bad, but the bad things that do happen to her are only to excuse why she's a master at everything. "You're blind...BUT DON'T WORRY, BY BEING BLIND FOR A BIT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIGHT IN COMPLETE DARKNESS..."
"You're on the run...but DON'T WORRY, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE THE GREATEST ASSASSIN OF ALL TIME SO HE CAN TEACH YOU HIS WAYS..."
"You've been concussed...BUT DON'T WORRY, IT'S JUST TO SHOW HOW MUCH OF A BAD arse AT STEALTH YOU ARE..."
The bad things that happen to her are only used to illustrate how "cool" she is. If she were male she'd be an insufferable character.
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 2:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The bad things that happen to her are only used to illustrate how "cool" she is. If she were male she'd be an insufferable character.
I'll grant ya that, but GoT is a pretty unapologetic "GIRL POWER!" universe (at least in the TV show, have no idea about the books), so I guess it's not really all that surprising.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:17 pm to KSGamecock
There are hundreds of stories available that would have been better than kid ninja warps and kills the greatest threat to mankind ever. 
It would even be more believable if she did it at the exact same moment Theon was attacking, or if she died performing the attack. Or if Theon, Jon, Jaime, Brienne et al were attacking the Night King at the same time while he's distracted.
The worst possible outcome was pretty much what happened.
It would even be more believable if she did it at the exact same moment Theon was attacking, or if she died performing the attack. Or if Theon, Jon, Jaime, Brienne et al were attacking the Night King at the same time while he's distracted.
The worst possible outcome was pretty much what happened.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Are you really complaining about the realism of a characters arch in a show with ice zombies and dragons? When her brother has already been murdered and brought back to life? Stfu
Posted on 5/2/19 at 3:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The worst possible outcome
Nah.
That would have been something like Sam's goofy fatass lucking into killing the night king somehow.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:05 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I'll grant ya that, but GoT is a pretty unapologetic "GIRL POWER!" universe (at least in the TV show, have no idea about the books), so I guess it's not really all that surprising.
I'm actually okay with the girl power themes -- Brienne is an extremely likeable and well-developed character who suffers defeat and overcomes. Similarly, Daenerys is "okay" even if she is a Sue in her own regard, she openly admits that she is terrible at fighting and it's obvious.
This is similar with Sansa and Cersei. All wonderful powerful females who suffer setbacks and have a certain skillset in which they are bad in. Arya is bad in none of them. She is both an elite fighter and a very capable speaker who just happens to keep bumping into the best of the best to train her every other season.
I agree that Sam killing the Night King would be worse, but I was thoroughly disappointed by that ending.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:09 pm to BowlJackson
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Are you really complaining about the realism of a characters arch in a show with ice zombies and dragons? When her brother has already been murdered and brought back to life? Stfu
Are you really so stupid to not understand that I'm criticizing her development within the scope of that particular universe?
Why is she better with/just as good as)spears than Gray Worm?
Why is she a better duelist than Brienne?
How is she a better assassin than an established assassin from the House of Black & White?
Why is she just as good if not better than an Iron Born with a bow?
That Aegon was brought back to life doesn't excuse this extremely indulgent and piss poor writing. In Season 1, Episode 8 (and many instances after) she is never this good with a sword.
While with the Brothers Without Banners she is shown to be an "okay" archer.
Fast Forward to Season 7 and she's an expert at swordplay, go to Season 8 and she's better than those who have trained literally their entire lives in their respective arts.
Okay, if she's magic, cool, but that's still very bad writing.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm actually okay with the girl power themes
Same. I didn't mean it as a negative, just that it makes sense in a show well-populated with strong/key female characters.
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Brienne is an extremely likeable and well-developed character
One of the best female characters I've ever seen. Her knighting scene with Jamie was one of my overall favorite scenes in the show. Emotionally and visually. Marvelous role/character.
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All wonderful powerful females who suffer setbacks and have a certain skillset in which they are bad in. Arya is bad in none of them.
Not true. She's no politician or lady, and has even said so outright. This despite her being highborn. Hence why she fully embraced the assassin identity.
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Sam killing the Night King would be worse
Yeah, and I just picked him at random. Would have been underwhelming if it'd had been Melissandra or Ser Davos, too.
Arya fit just fine for me.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Don't feed the troll.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
What's the name of your fantasy series, or shows you've written for? I'd like to check out your work since you're such a great writer
Posted on 5/2/19 at 4:34 pm to BowlJackson
jesus youd think Arya pissed in your cornflakes.
Did you at least enjoy her killing walder frey?
Did you at least enjoy her killing walder frey?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:03 pm to BowlJackson
Would it make a difference if others who actually did write things talk about this?
Me not wanting to give my identity doesn't mean you can write off my opinions. If you actually have something intellectual to contribute, by all means.
If "I like whatever they produce" is the depth of your intellectual capacity regarding this discussion, perhaps you should seek another discussion?
Me not wanting to give my identity doesn't mean you can write off my opinions. If you actually have something intellectual to contribute, by all means.
If "I like whatever they produce" is the depth of your intellectual capacity regarding this discussion, perhaps you should seek another discussion?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:25 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Not true. She's no politician or lady, and has even said so outright. This despite her being highborn. Hence why she fully embraced the assassin identity.
So you don't think she could if she wanted to? It's her choice, not because it's a character flaw.
What are her character flaws? What is she especially bad at? Even at sex, she seemed to be an expert with zero experience.
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A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment. They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, and usually are able through some means to upstage the main protagonist of an established fictional setting, such as by saving the hero.
She is a textbook Sue.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience
Im not in total disagreement. My whole thing is im not really paying attention to the time frame it has taken her to master sword play or such things once she can put peoples faces on and change into that person. I just dont see how you can talk about things having realistic expectations for a person that can literally change into someone else.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
So, are you planning on watching the rest of the season, since it's one of the worst things to grace TV sets in 100 years?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:44 pm to teamjackson
I'm going to watch and I agree with SDAR on almost everything. Most people who like the lore or the books are really frustrated, his opinions aren't unique or anything, and they're still going to watch. It's not that it's terrible television, it's just terrible compared to the previous standard of the show.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:46 pm to KSGamecock
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It's not that it's terrible television, it's just terrible compared to the previous standard of the show.
Kind of expected that seeing as they were gonna cram everything into 6 episodes. Which im also kinda cool with after watching what a nose dive Walking Dead took. Now that was exact opposite. Talk about dragging a storyline out!
Posted on 5/2/19 at 5:57 pm to BoozeDawg
Yea, TWD took a real bad dive as well. Way worse than this.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 6:00 pm to KSGamecock
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It's not that it's terrible television, it's just terrible compared to the previous standard of the show.
Thank you.
There are plenty of other characters who counterbalance the outright terrible storyline associated with Arya, those who are females (Brienne is the example I use most often).
But this is just a surprisingly weak, cliche that the show/book had painstakingly tried to avoid.
I'm also glad you noted that most people who have a real qualm are those who actually pay attention to the lore to become immersed.
Immersion is extremely difficult when a character breaks that wall with being an expert at everything and having no consequences because, well, they have no flaws.
Literally the only way she can be defeated at this point is by another Faceless, but since she's already dispatched one despite having minimal training (sigh) I just think we're going toward more cliches. (Plot armor, Mary Sues -- things that the other episodes tried to avoid.)
I'll certainly watch the show -- it's outrageously good television, but that specific arc, the thing we've been waiting for 8 seasons (Winter Is Coming) to be ended by a character with a flick of the wrist is painful.
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