re: A question about the school shooting today...

The assault on Christianity is real. Your indifference, ambivalence, ignorance etc. doesn't change this. The battle rages not only in the physical universe, but in places outside of space-time.

Ephesians 6:12

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The assault on Christianity is real. Your indifference, ambivalence, ignorance etc. doesn't change this. The battle rages not only in the physical universe, but in places outside of space-time.

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“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”

Yes, the appeal to a sexist, homophobic and scientifically illiterate religion has last its appeal -- but it is hardly an ''assault'' as you put it, nor is irreligiousness and rejection of such aggression to be blamed for the vast majority of the problems in America.

65% (an overwhelming majority) happen to be Christian in Prison, whereas only 10% are irreligious.

I'm not anti-Christian by any means, but this bizarre concept of a country who has had nothing other than a Christian President, who dominate the vast majority of society, who constantly restricts people from living as they please even when it doesn't harm anyone and who constantly comes into forums to hurl accusations at the irreligious (when no one had said anything regarding religion) and then wants sympathy for their stranglehold on the country and its laws!

Forgive me, sir, but your assertion is not only baseless, it's the complete opposite.

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Could you provide some examples of unjustified barbaric behavior?

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Is this simple ignorance or anchored stupidity? The Conquest of the Americas, specifically by the Conquistadores was done through violent, forced converts of the local population. Having lived in Mexico this isn't exaggerated, they literally butchered, enslaved, crucified and forced people to convert to Christianity. This is only one tiny example of the insanely violent nature of using religion as a catalyst to take things for ''chosen people''.

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How did Jesus treat women? Do you know? What did He teach concerning how we're to treat sinners? Do you know?

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1 Timothy 2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

I'm gonna say: He probably didn't treat with them with the same respect he did as women.

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You do realize early scientists and astronomers were overwhelmingly Christian. Galileo, Kepler, Newton were Christian.

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Oh, you mean those people who would be defamed if they were not, like Galileo?

Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions.
He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition. On the following day, this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.

I'm assuming you're not stupid enough to believe that people politely came to your door and knocked to win your soul for Jesus in those times, right?

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65% of Nobel Prize Laureates of the past 100 years were Christian. The majority of Nobel Prize winners in chemistry, physics, economics and medicine in the last one hundred years have been Christian.
So I question your assertion that Christianity is a scientifically illiterate religion.

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See above: The vast majority of the world was forced be religious, and ironically you don't seem to understand that Alfred Nobel was highly religious. I mean, President Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize after droning more people than you can imagine -- I think we've all come to the conclusion that those prizes don't hold the weight that they ought to.

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You conveniently neglect to say that an overwhelming majority of these inmates become Christian after their incarceration.

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Again, ignorant or just plain unwilling to look at the reality. If you think 80% of people who enter prison are Atheist, you're outright deficient and are showing more and more ways how you can't be taken seriously in a legitimate debate.

There are people who use Christianity to dupe idiots like you into thinking they're saved and won't ''do bad no more'', and there are those who were lifelong Christians -- either way you look stupidly innocent or they were just Christians anyway.

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Many of our Presidents have identified as Christian only because it got them votes.

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Yep, making my case for me. They're either bad Christians or Christians are unbelievably easy to dupe. There's no good way for you to argue this position either.

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation because you're one of those crazy ''War on Christmas'' conservative types who can't wait to turn a shooting political. Maybe take yourself down from that cross and stop playing the victim.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit there's ample evidence of Christians behaving badly, after all, were only human.

My original post in this thread, I won't apologize for. I honestly believe every word I said. I should have left it right there.
You replied in disagreement. It is my response to your reply that I apologize for.
I entered this thread in a bad mood, looking to trigger someone. I'm usually better than this. I haven't represented my faith very well. Sorry.

Do you see a decline in our country's moral fabric? If so, and it's not due to the decline of Christianity, what do you attribute it to?

Yes, we do need to adequately fund mental health facilities.

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problem is that the government has control of the kids for half the waking hours during the week.

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Your city and state government fund and set the policies. The federal government's involvement in public schools begins and ends with the school lunch program and some idiot policies in NCLB that require standardized testing and school measurements designed not to help kids or measure performance so much as to distract from the fact that the voucher system is a giveaway to cronies who run private schools many of which are worse in terms of education than the local public school.

If you want to effect local school policy start local. The city/county and state (although states typically only set minimum requirements and carry out NCLB-like policies) are your best options.

If you're unhappy 'the government' is controlling your kid it's pretty easy to go to a school board meeting or even run for the job.

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Transitioning from a Christian society to a secular one has its consequences.

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The Christian society that, among other things, prevented women from voting, and enacted Jim Crow?

I'm a born again Christian, but some folks romanticize the society of the 1950s and 1960s as if it were some utopia. There was good and bad, just like today. Just like comparing any two points in history, really.