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What went wrong with Cuonzo Martin?

Posted on 1/25/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted by TigerTalker16
Columbia,MO
Member since Apr 2015
11533 posts
Posted on 1/25/20 at 1:20 pm
Cuonzo Martin is known for being a good recruiter and he’s from St Louis. You’d think he would have no problem recruiting talent from an area he’s familiar with. Yet, we missed on all our major guys this offseason. Why don’t kids want to play for Mizzou?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111507 posts
Posted on 1/25/20 at 1:28 pm to
He’s not recruiting.
His assistants suck.

There’s a great chance that our compliance department is a huge issue.
Posted by Lou2theZou
Chicago
Member since Jun 2019
528 posts
Posted on 1/25/20 at 1:35 pm to
Because we have no clout - it would be different if his first 3 years we were a consistent tourney team with STL kids... but it’s pretty much the opposite.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111507 posts
Posted on 1/25/20 at 1:58 pm to
He sucks.
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
15512 posts
Posted on 1/25/20 at 2:40 pm to
He's had terrible luck with key injuries that derailed a lot of potential success (Michael Porter 2017, Jontay Porter 2018, Mark Smith 2019 (when he was actually good last year), Jeremiah Tilmon 2020).

The AD doesn't support the basketball program. As a result of the AD's negligence and the lack of success, the fans don't support the program either.

The AD insists on trying to run a clean program in a game where it is PROVEN that you have to cheat to compete at a high level. Cuonzo is offering recruits a chance to play hard defense, at a school that doesn't care about basketball, with minimal fan support and a track record of losing. Other coaches are offering those same recruits $$$, fame, rabid fanbases, winning tradition.

The best salesman in human history couldn't sell Mizzou to a top-tier recruit.

Oh, and as 808 mentioned, his assistants are an absolute joke.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 2:41 pm
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28049 posts
Posted on 1/25/20 at 5:45 pm to
Vols warned us, just like we warned arky about suitcase. both were right
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 1/25/20 at 7:28 pm to
^^^^^

That
Posted by Tiger97
Member since Feb 2015
438 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:27 am to
Not saying you are wrong about any of the current situation, but.....

What have you seen to suggest Sterk is neglecting basketball?

A school that does not care about basketball?
I think the Stewart years when Babs was trying to run athletics into the ground would contradict your assertion about the Tiger fanbase not caring about basketball.
I think the fans support would return if we saw a full season of improvement and play that suggested better things are coming. Have not seen much of that since Haith's first season.

I suspect the comment about compliance has some merit as well. Between the Adidas scandal and other recent investigations, we have seen what an invisible joke the compliance office is at many other big basketball schools. If MU's office is not a joke, our coaches have one more speed bump to get over that its competitors do not.


Posted by mizslu314
Dirty STL
Member since Sep 2013
15968 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:34 am to
As 808 said, and very few have, his assistants are bad.

Martin has no pitch because theres really nothing he can sell recruits on. PT isnt a pitch because there are 355 schools, kids can get PT at most of them. SEC is ranked as the 6th best conference currently, no one comes to games, and there is no talent to play along with.
Posted by TigerCruise
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Oct 2013
11898 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:36 am to
We'll find out next year how good of a coach he is
Posted by blueprint_one
Columbia, MO
Member since Oct 2015
1307 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:43 am to
If he's still here.
Posted by mizslu314
Dirty STL
Member since Sep 2013
15968 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:58 am to
he will be. He cant be fired until the end of next year
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
15512 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

What have you seen to suggest Sterk is neglecting basketball?

A school that does not care about basketball?
I think the Stewart years when Babs was trying to run athletics into the ground would contradict your assertion about the Tiger fanbase not caring about basketball.
I think the fans support would return if we saw a full season of improvement and play that suggested better things are coming. Have not seen much of that since Haith's first season.



It's bigger than Sterk. I think it goes back to the beginning of Mike Alden's reign. He bungled the program badly, and the athletic department continues to let it twist in the wind. They built a cavernous arena and then gave all the good tickets to corporate sponsors and big wigs who never show up to any games. It looks terrible on TV even when the team is winning. The marketing department hardly moves the needle in trying to sell the program, especially when it comes to driving local interest. The parking situation for the arena is a joke...the common fan has to park a half mile away and walk through freezing weather. Students and CoMo residents are the lifeblood of the basketball fanbase. Both have gone away.

I'd like to see them make a serious commitment to changing the gameday atmosphere in the arena. Curtain off the upper decks if we have to. Let fans move into the unused corporate seats in the lower bowl. Do whatever it takes to get students to show up.

Personal anecdote: I found some old pictures of a game I attended in 2011. It was the home opener versus Truman State University. Frank Haith had just been hired...nobody had ANY idea that team was going to win 30 games coming off an 8-8 Big 12 season and losing 5 of their last 6 before Mike Anderson bolted. Despite playing a nobody D2 school and the notoriously underwhelming hire of Frank Haith, the student section was about 90-95% full. The rest of the arena was empty (per usual) but the students were there in force. Watch any good college atmosphere today, and it is driven by the student section. Mizzou needs to figure out how to get them to care again.
Posted by TigerAndBadger
Member since Aug 2017
234 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Personal anecdote: I found some old pictures of a game I attended in 2011. It was the home opener versus Truman State University. Frank Haith had just been hired...nobody had ANY idea that team was going to win 30 games coming off an 8-8 Big 12 season and losing 5 of their last 6 before Mike Anderson bolted. Despite playing a nobody D2 school and the notoriously underwhelming hire of Frank Haith, the student section was about 90-95% full. The rest of the arena was empty (per usual) but the students were there in force. Watch any good college atmosphere today, and it is driven by the student section. Mizzou needs to figure out how to get them to care again.


Honestly, I think there is some significant juice to theory that fan engagement has dropped significantly with the move to the SEC. Sure, there was an initial surge of excitement. But now, we are in a conference with states in which we have very little to no cultural or historical ties. Being in the Big 12, there were plenty of alums from various schools around to banter with; be it at work, or just socially. That just doesn't exist with us in the SEC. Toss on the protests and generally declining attendance, and you get our current state of affairs.
Posted by Saltonking44
Member since Apr 2017
427 posts
Posted on 1/28/20 at 5:18 pm to
I fully admit I am not an expert on Basketball and I am much more of a football guy but what you said about the Marketing Dept hit a home run.

Remember when Marketing leased billboards all over SEC territory telling everyone we were proud to be in the SEC, there was a sense of pride back then.

These days I watch Clownzo sit on the bench yawning and I am thinking what is wrong with this picture.
Posted by Zou brownmajic
Member since Sep 2013
3470 posts
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:22 pm to
I think that we are all yawning Salt watching the boring offenses in basketball and football at Mizzou.
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