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What do you think the issue is with DGB?

Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:36 am
Posted by FightTigers
Missourah
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:36 am
Since every other message board has this thread, I figured I'd throw it out here and see what y'all think the issue is.

1) Is he just physically and mentally overmatched by the new speed of the game/better level of competition?

2) Is he not able to grasp our offense since hillcrests was just run deep and get the ball?

3) Is yost and crew just this oblivious and not able to work him into the gameplan?

4) something else I haven't thought of

Personally I'd say I just don't think it's clicked for him yet and our play calling/QB play has been atrocious.

Either way I don't care what's happening but it needs to get fixed and soon. Talk about an easy negative recruiting point, "Did you see they got the #1 overall player last year and he's nonexistent?"
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 11:55 am
Posted by Ridgewalker
Member since Aug 2012
3567 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:52 am to
He's a 19 year old kid from a smaller school that is a little overwhelmed IMHO.

AND his coaching could be better, coaching could always be better.

If he was a superstar he could be one and done, in this case he will be around for a while so enjoy watching him grow up. By the time he leaves the numbers will be there.
Posted by SoCalMIZ
Jumbotown, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2012
2875 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 11:12 am to
quote:

1) Is he just physically and mentally overmatched by the new speed of the game/better level of competition?


This. While he is built like a manchild, he spent his HS career dominating mostly 5'9 slow white kids with little football skills. He's gone from that to playing against guys that will be drafted in the NFL in 6 months. It would be like a HS baseball player going straight to AAA his first year. Tough to do. I imagine the speed out there coupled with the size makes it real tough to get open. Add in the fact that he probably doesn't really know how to run crisp routes and a learning curve with the playbook and there you go.

However, with a qb with a better/more accurate arm and a little time to throw, I see no reason why you can't just let him loose every now and then and just throw it up there.
Posted by URHatinIt
Member since Dec 2011
4683 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 11:26 am to
He's not getting the playbook. They're definately trying to work him into the gameplan.

I just hope they're not doing this to a fault.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 11:54 am to
I'll take the easy answer...all of the above.

In HS, he didn't face the size/speed he does now so he was able to just get by on raw ability without worrying much about the finer points.

A better quarterback would help. Even with a line, I'm not sold on Franklin. I'm not saying we have anyone better, but just saying as far as DGB putting up impressive numbers, I don't think it will ever be with Franklin at QB.

A better line is definitely needed. Currently, not enough time for routes to develop.

I'll bite my tongue about the playbook, it's complexity and our style of the spread in general, but I can understand everyone learns at their own pace and any college playbook is going to be more complex than his high school playbook.
Posted by jafo
Northwest Missouri State Bearcats
Member since Jan 2012
2954 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 12:26 pm to
I don't know if it's so much the playbook as it is how they want to utlise him. End around plays are not going to showcase his talents at this point.

I still say you have to utilise this guy to his stregths. Thats his speed and size. Being we've suffered at QB so far this year, you can't get a grasp on where he's at by watching a few plays cause the QB is either not seeing him, not his primary reciever on that play or just plain can't throw a catchable ball to him.

He's a Dwayne Bow type. It's sideline runs and using his height or it's slants and using his size. So far they realy have'nt done to much of either with him. It takes him a few yards to get going. End arounds are for shifty quick guys.

They just need to get him out there to let him get up to the speed of the game and develope his tecnique for getting open. I've said it quite abit here. He's not going to improve standing on the sideline. That is a fact.
Posted by FightTigers
Missourah
Member since Oct 2011
2693 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 12:26 pm to
Btw this is to whoever is the admin in these parts but sorry for the vague title of the thread. I'll do better next time, I forgot really. Either way thanks for correcting.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 12:32 pm to
For as gifted as he is physically, I think he got zero gifts mentally. (Although he seems like a very nice kid, not a thug clown)

In a way, he's almost not all there.. I think is probably a little of not grasping the playbook well enough and not being utilized properly.

But, what if this is 2007 and he is in a well oiled offense with Chase Daniel running it... I think in that scenario he looks a lot better to us all right now.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Tackle74
Columbia, MO
Member since Mar 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

For as gifted as he is physically, I think he got zero gifts mentally.


How the hell would you know that?? Guys its simple our QB play has been atrocious, our playcalling and use of his skill sets have been non existant, we could have Jerry fricking Rice as our WR and he would not have done shite. I do think to a point it is clear he is a little lost on the playbook and that slows down his game speed. A good OC would take his immense talent and teach him a few sets/routes to perfect not throw the whole fricking playbook at him at outside reciever 1st and then in the slot. frick it I will say it he has been Yosted.
Posted by FightTigers
Missourah
Member since Oct 2011
2693 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

frick it I will say it he has been Yosted.





Let's just hope that is the only problem, because that is fixable!!
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

For as gifted as he is physically, I think he got zero gifts mentally.


How the hell would you know that?? Guys its simple our QB play has been atrocious, our playcalling and use of his skill sets have been non existant, we could have Jerry fricking Rice as our WR and he would not have done shite. I do think to a point it is clear he is a little lost on the playbook and that slows down his game speed. A good OC would take his immense talent and teach him a few sets/routes to perfect not throw the whole fricking playbook at him at outside reciever 1st and then in the slot. frick it I will say it he has been Yosted.


How do I know that he isn't gifted mentally? I guess I just take what comes out of his mouth as an indication, the way his eyes look when he speaks, the way he writes, the way he interviews.. he isn't gifted with smarts, that should kind of be obvious.

And if you read a long, you would see that I said its probably a little bit of both, not getting the playbook and not getting utilized properly... if he was in the 2007 offense, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.. he would probably be rolling. So.. that kind of means he has been yosted, franklined, or whatever..
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 2:34 pm
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27433 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

I think he got zero gifts mentally


Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:02 pm to
kilo..

So you're saying you do think he is gifted mentally?

Not sure why this is up for much debate. He's extremely gifted physically, not much up stairs. Whats the problem guys? That not accurate?
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 3:04 pm
Posted by SoCalMIZ
Jumbotown, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2012
2875 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

He's extremely gifted physically, not much up stairs.


How would you know this? Do you know him personally? Did you tutor him in HS? Have you seen his test scores?

All that aside, what does being smart have to do with being a WR? You seem pretty stupid, and I'm sure you could catch a football.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

ow would you know this? Do you know him personally? Did you tutor him in HS? Have you seen his test scores?

All that aside, what does being smart have to do with being a WR? You seem pretty stupid, and I'm sure you could catch a football.


Man, I guess this intuition problem is worse than I thought..

For one, test scores and academic achievements have nothing or very little to do with it.

Have any one of you heard him interviewed? Watched the blankness in his eyes? The answers that had nothing to do with the question. And there is a lot more too it, this is tough to explain to people that don't get it at all.

Now watch an Evan Boehm get interviewed, you can see an understanding and awareness in him. You know he is absorbing what is being said to him, and his output is relevant to what was said to him. You can see the wheels turning. With DGB, nothing is turning upstairs.

I'm saying he isn't the sharpest guy, doesn't have much awareness mentally, doesn't have much charisma. He's got that deer in the headlights look about him all the time.

We've seen him get redirected a lot by other WRs before the snap, obviously he's not fully grasping the plays. But despite that, if this was 2007 I think this conversation doesn't happen because he is doing so well.

And apparently no one read the second part of my first post, probably a waste of time for me to post on here... not a lot of comprehension, lots of people that snipe one part of a broader context... thought it might be different in the mizzou board, apparently not.



Posted by SoCalMIZ
Jumbotown, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2012
2875 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:23 pm to
Dude, you made your bed over on the rant. Now you'll have to lay in it over here.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
7102 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

Dude, you made your bed over on the rant. Now you'll have to lay in it over here.


Whatever you say man..

I haven't been a troll on here, took it too serious at first when I went on that southern tangent. Went at it too much with kilo that one day about the qb situation. I've tried to get better, I've kind of made amends with kills.

I guess that means that nothing I say from now on will be greeted with any sort of good reception, so might as well move a long if it's going to be like that. And not sure what I've ever done to you Socal..



This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 3:30 pm
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25485 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:34 pm to
A question just popped in my head. Have we seen a single fade route to DGB in the end zone? I don't remember one. I remember one pass in his direction but it was so short and so far behind him that not only could he not make the catch, but thankfully neither could the defender. And that was on a crossing route, not a fade. Let him go up and get the damn ball.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27433 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:35 pm to
No man.

You just need to allow people to disagree with shite you say. Every time people disagree with you, your responses go straight to ad hominem nonsense.

People "lack intuition" or "comprehension" because they don't agree with something you said.

You have been like that from day one. I think you have good insights and the more the merrier but you have a "people" problem in how you express yourself.

Mizzou fans should stick together around here. When we first came here it was ROUGH going. Its gotten better but the sniping at each other is not needed.

I think you should stay and tug on the rope the same direction as every other Mizzou fan on the Rant.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 3:37 pm
Posted by SoCalMIZ
Jumbotown, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2012
2875 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

I guess that means that nothing I say from now on will be greeted with any sort of good reception,


Not true at all. However, you make some bold, disagreeable, misguided statements from time to time. This happens to be one of those times. You are entitled to your opinion, but when its off base and irrelevant to the discussion at hand you're gonna get called on it.

You are basically saying that he is not smart enough to perform and excel on a football field. Did you ever stop and think that the "cluelessness" you speak of might just be a case of being overwhelmed with a new and difficult challenge? It would be completely normal for an 18 year old kid to be lost in front of a camera.
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