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re: The fan reaction to early Pinkel/Odom tenure is eerily similar
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:26 pm to wubilli
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:26 pm to wubilli
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GPs last team was 5-7. It was going to have to be rebuilt.
I don't think you were saying this, but you're not comparing the "rebuild" job BO has to do with the rebuild that GP had to do are ya?
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:30 pm to wubilli
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It's only 2 games into the season. Seems a little early to say Walters is doing a bad job as a coach this year.
Ok, how's he is doing a shitty job so far this year? In all seriousness, I think it's perfectly fine to say he's doing a bad job as long as you also understand he has time to change that over the course of the season. In other words, his season won't be judged until the season is over but it's also certainly fair to judge his first 2 games on those 2 games.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:31 pm to reedus23
Not the same rebuild, but it is a rebuild.
The recruiting classes after switching conferences hasn't left Mizzou with much in the way of upperclassmen that are difference makers. That was the GP system.
An experienced and more proven coach should have gotten Mizzou to 6-7 wins last season.
The recruiting classes after switching conferences hasn't left Mizzou with much in the way of upperclassmen that are difference makers. That was the GP system.
An experienced and more proven coach should have gotten Mizzou to 6-7 wins last season.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:34 pm to wubilli
Walter is the Secondary Coordinator and his guys don't look competent in Read 2, Quarters, or Cover 3. I don't need several more games to know what I am watching.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 1:27 am to reedus23
Honestly, I don't know that it's much different. BO probably got a better roster, but the whole atmosphere was infinitely more toxic when BO took over as compared to Pinkel.
There is a large portion of the fanbase "boycotting " the program for reasons that BO had no control over.
Empty stadiums are hard to play in and even harder to recruit to.
BO may not be the guy, but we simply have to give him a fair shake even if he won't really ever get one. A significant portion of the fanbase was sorry on the program before his team ever made payed a single snap. If he can get this going, he is one hell of a coach.
There is a large portion of the fanbase "boycotting " the program for reasons that BO had no control over.
Empty stadiums are hard to play in and even harder to recruit to.
BO may not be the guy, but we simply have to give him a fair shake even if he won't really ever get one. A significant portion of the fanbase was sorry on the program before his team ever made payed a single snap. If he can get this going, he is one hell of a coach.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 5:09 am to JesusQuintana
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BO may not be the guy, but we simply have to give him a fair shake even if he won't really ever get one.
Three years will be a fair shake. And if Odom didn't know what he was getting into (post-boycott) than he shouldn't have accepted the job.
That said, he's done some good things: got the offense off life support, hired a Kuligowski-like counterpart as OL coach, snagged some nice diamonds in the rough as previously mentioned, refocused recruiting to Texas (although that may be on tenuous footing post-Cross).
But for every positive aspect you can point to there's a negative that's more glaring. The Read and React abortion, the special teams abortion, the inability to attract in-state recruits, a track record (right or wrong) of not getting along with fellow coaches, etc.
I'm pro-Odom and want to be patient (and will be) but if this season circles the drain he's on a death watch.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:11 am to JesusQuintana
quote:Most of those were valid. He started a bigger job and had to grow into it. He wound up doing it well, except he never could figure out how to defend a run team even when he had the athletes to do it which cost us a title shot in 2013. It had to have helped that he had HC experience.
Pinkel was in over his head. Couldn't recruit. He was boring. His teams played dumb.
BO has glaring deficiencies in building and controlling a staff and taking control of and building discipline on a team. Basically the HC stuff. Does he grow into it? I don't know, I haven't seen much overall improvement. In fact, he seems to be going backward as his staff implodes. He has to show some real improvement in these areas THIS season or he has to learn this at a smaller program
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:17 pm to MIZ_COU
Barry's time to "Show Me". I hope we win. But I have lost a LOT of confidence in BO & Co. Lots of good talk, solid handshakes and darn good guy stuff, but very little good play from this program.
It's all about recruiting. Gotta make a bowl game (6 wins min.). Still extremely possible and BO would have earned his job and have something to sell to recruits. Will it happen? JMO, I doubt it. I could see Sterk maybe letting BO go with only one or two wins going into a later game with maybe 30k in the stands. Half of those dressed in say ugly orange. (Not a pretty visual.)
If you can't beat Purdue, who can you beat besides Idaho and maybe UConn? Mason has Vandy playing good ball. UK is struggling some and Barry somehow gets a conference win there. That's another 4-8 year making HC Barry 8-16 in two years? Can he recruit effectively with good talk, solid handshakes, and darn good guy stuff and that weak record? He can fill a class, but with what??? If I was a 3, 4 or 5-star recruit, I'd say you still haven't "Shown Me".
OJT in the SEC just doesn't cut-it, and so far that has proven correct.
It's all about recruiting. Gotta make a bowl game (6 wins min.). Still extremely possible and BO would have earned his job and have something to sell to recruits. Will it happen? JMO, I doubt it. I could see Sterk maybe letting BO go with only one or two wins going into a later game with maybe 30k in the stands. Half of those dressed in say ugly orange. (Not a pretty visual.)
If you can't beat Purdue, who can you beat besides Idaho and maybe UConn? Mason has Vandy playing good ball. UK is struggling some and Barry somehow gets a conference win there. That's another 4-8 year making HC Barry 8-16 in two years? Can he recruit effectively with good talk, solid handshakes, and darn good guy stuff and that weak record? He can fill a class, but with what??? If I was a 3, 4 or 5-star recruit, I'd say you still haven't "Shown Me".
OJT in the SEC just doesn't cut-it, and so far that has proven correct.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 5:16 pm to JesusQuintana
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There is a large portion of the fanbase "boycotting " the program for reasons that BO had no control over.
bullshite. If the team had won 10 games last year and were 2-0 this year the stadium would be packed.
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BO may not be the guy, but we simply have to give him a fair shake even if he won't really ever get one.
He will get his chance. He's still here after all. Starts with the next game. Let's see how he does.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 5:22 pm to reedus23
The stands would be full if we were winning.
BO has this entire season left to show what he can do. We just have to see what he can make of it
BO has this entire season left to show what he can do. We just have to see what he can make of it
Posted on 9/13/17 at 5:27 pm to reedus23
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I don't think you were saying this, but you're not comparing the "rebuild" job BO has to do with the rebuild that GP had to do are ya?
It's comparable. I see you disagree, but you aren't taking into account how toxic the program was/still is when BO took over.
Roster was probably better, but had slipped drastically since 2013.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 5:57 pm to JesusQuintana
Sounds just like the BS you were shoveling with KA
Oh it's not his fault
It's the fans
It's the roster
Give him time
When does this team become BO's team? next year? 2 years from now.
When does the shite play shite coaching, and shite results become his and only his to take responsibility for.
Oh it's not his fault
It's the fans
It's the roster
Give him time
When does this team become BO's team? next year? 2 years from now.
When does the shite play shite coaching, and shite results become his and only his to take responsibility for.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:02 pm to SemperFi
USCe is sure appreciative of the work Florida did in helping Muschamp learn how to be a head coach.
Some other school will be doing to same to Mizzou with BO in 4-5 years.
Some other school will be doing to same to Mizzou with BO in 4-5 years.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:06 pm to SemperFi
Lol! What in the frick are you talking about? I never said any of that in regards to KA.
Look, I know the instant gratification crowd won't like this but this is not an easy fix and Mizzou is a tough job, especially now.
Whoever gets the ball rolling, is going to need time to do so. You can hold your breath and stomp your feet, but that's simply the reality.
Look, I know the instant gratification crowd won't like this but this is not an easy fix and Mizzou is a tough job, especially now.
Whoever gets the ball rolling, is going to need time to do so. You can hold your breath and stomp your feet, but that's simply the reality.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:34 pm to wubilli
Jesus H Christ. Your Barry love is bordering on insanity and hilarity. Dude has done nothing to warrant that kinda faith, blind homerism, or optimism for his future.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:41 pm to Athos
Umm Khalil Mack didn't even go to Memphis, but sure why not give him credit for BOs success.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:46 pm to wubilli
Touché. Not sure why I keep thinking Mack came out of Memphis. Their helmets are only vaguely similar in that they're blue.
* keep mixing up the teams Poe and Mack played for. Not sure why. Ones a DT, the other a LB.
* keep mixing up the teams Poe and Mack played for. Not sure why. Ones a DT, the other a LB.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:07 pm to JesusQuintana
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Look, I know the instant gratification crowd won't like this but this is not an easy fix and Mizzou is a tough job, especially now.
Try the crowd that said from the start, the SEC is no place to learn how to be a coach.
All most are looking for is competency.
To this point BO hasn't shown anything close.
Now spin all you want. Talk about GP or the protests... Doesn't change the fact that as of today, BO and this team look and play lost.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:10 pm to JesusQuintana
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but you aren't taking into account how toxic the program was/still is when BO took over.
bullshite. If the team won 10 games last year, no one would be talking about "toxicity" due to the protests. It's a great bullshite excuse to do exactly that, excuse a shitty performance. When GP came in, we were just coming out of two decades of the administration trying their best to make the program irrelevant. BO inherited one season of bad football that included some misguided decisions which a select few want to grasp onto as the reason for all of the world's problems.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:18 pm to reedus23
There was nowhere near enough talent last year to win 10 games. There was enough to win 6-8 games, which a proven coach could have gotten Mizzou to.
That's not BO. Mizzou didn't hire him for the coach he would be from the start, but for the coach Rhoades thought he could become.
He will have to do better this and next season to get the chance to show that at Mizzou.
That's not BO. Mizzou didn't hire him for the coach he would be from the start, but for the coach Rhoades thought he could become.
He will have to do better this and next season to get the chance to show that at Mizzou.
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