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re: sigh, I can see my presence is needed here.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:16 am to notsince98
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:16 am to notsince98
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We have tried the other methods. Lets try having a real coach and see what happens.
We should do something.
This is something.
Ergo, let's do this.
And that's the basis of the strategy we're supposed to jump behind?
All you Mizzou apologists are the reason that Alden can slide this shite sandwich to us and pretend it's prime rib. And when it all falls apart in year 4, you'll be telling us it's our fault. No thanks.
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:23 am to the808bass
Not even remotely close. We all agree coaching has been missing from the program since Norm left. Hiring recruiters and "styles" just hasn't panned out. You need to coach to win. So let us get a coach.
It isn't some emotional argument void of logic as you seem to wish it to be.
It isn't some emotional argument void of logic as you seem to wish it to be.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:31 am to the808bass
quote:Reports are it wasn't even that. Marshall said he wasn't interested immediately and then it was KA.
2) Was this a two-horse race? Marshall or (almost) no one?
quote:Probably, but he's someone else's tool. He is running the program he is told to run. If the administration wanted big hires they would go after them, and if Alden couldn't do it they would hire an AD that could
then it goes back to Alden must really, really suck.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 7:38 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:31 am to notsince98
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It isn't some emotional argument void of logic as you seem to wish it to be.
Wiell that's far more rational than you presented in your last post. But good coaching is no more guarantee of wins than good recruiting
I think Brad Soderberg is a good coach, and his results at his current Division II school seem to back that up. He has a national championship too. He also got fired from SLU from having a record about one game about 500 per year.
So good coaching will definitely change the product we put on the floor. But I haven't found one single Ka supporter who thinks that we're going to have a better win loss record next year and we did this year. And the year after that is hazy.
So everybody keeps saying this is going to be better. But everybody also says that the wins and losses are going to be worse. Those people and I have different definitions of better.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 7:37 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:36 am to MIZ_COU
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If the administration wanted big hires they would go after them, and if Alden couldn't do it they would hire and AD that could
I don't think the Admin said that our ceiling was $1.1M. And I don't think our Admin said "Go get KA."
So there's still no one to blame but MA.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:38 am to the808bass
I bet he didn't get the go ahead to spend 3 mil and then bump Pinkle and his staff up again either
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:39 am to MIZ_COU
I bet he didn't fight for that either.
ETA: I'll also bet he didn't tell Loftin, "I'm gonna call Marshall's agent. If that doesn't work, l'm driving over to Warrensburg for a cup of coffee and I'll see if the State Fair guy is interested."
ETA: I'll also bet he didn't tell Loftin, "I'm gonna call Marshall's agent. If that doesn't work, l'm driving over to Warrensburg for a cup of coffee and I'll see if the State Fair guy is interested."
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 7:44 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:42 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Good post.
It will be refreshing to see an organized offense
It will be refreshing to see an organized offense
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:42 am to MIZ_COU
Marshall isn't worth $3mil. It puts him in a category of coaches that have achieved more than him.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:43 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Great posts, all of them. I like the real world perspective.
Thing is,Haith drove me crazy cause he is just not an on the court coach. Meaning drawing up plays was not his thing. Now we have a real x's and o's coach that can coach. We now have gone from a one man show to a team concept again. That's a good thing.
I don't know why people are so down on this hire. It will be an improvement over Haith. No more disorderly basketball and guys standing around looking like they don't know where to be on the court and one guy driving to the basket every time. That made Haith teams easy to defend. You want a coach who at least has all his players in the game at the end, win or lose.
I'm not doing back flips over this hire, but I'm also not dreading the next few years either.
I also don't think Mizzou or Alden will ever make that "homerun" hire, in any sports area. But that's on Alden.
Thing is,Haith drove me crazy cause he is just not an on the court coach. Meaning drawing up plays was not his thing. Now we have a real x's and o's coach that can coach. We now have gone from a one man show to a team concept again. That's a good thing.
I don't know why people are so down on this hire. It will be an improvement over Haith. No more disorderly basketball and guys standing around looking like they don't know where to be on the court and one guy driving to the basket every time. That made Haith teams easy to defend. You want a coach who at least has all his players in the game at the end, win or lose.
I'm not doing back flips over this hire, but I'm also not dreading the next few years either.
I also don't think Mizzou or Alden will ever make that "homerun" hire, in any sports area. But that's on Alden.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:47 am to jafo
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improvement over Haith.
Everyone keeps saying this and no one will quantify it.
If we're at .500 at the end of year 3, how many more years does the D2 experiment get?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:51 am to the808bass
This will be a ground up rebuild. Anderson probably gets 5 years minimum unless something drastic happens.
The program is going to be rebuilt based on a foundation of Missouri. It will be mostly Missourians on the staff and the base of the recruiting is going to be Missouri. It will take time to build that.
The program is going to be rebuilt based on a foundation of Missouri. It will be mostly Missourians on the staff and the base of the recruiting is going to be Missouri. It will take time to build that.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:52 am to notsince98
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Marshall isn't worth $3mil. It puts him in a category of coaches that have achieved more than him
We had about 125,000 empty seats over the course of the basketball season. How much is that worth?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:54 am to notsince98
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This will be a ground up rebuild. Anderson probably gets 5 years minimum unless something drastic happens.
So because we know recruiting is going to suck, he gets more time. That makes perfect sense.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:55 am to the808bass
well ya. going this route will require upperclassmen to be successful. You can't just recruit those unless you want more transfers. I don't think anyone wants that.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:56 am to the808bass
808, I haven't commented on anything you've posted since the hire, since you are having your melt. That's cool, and I can understand.
But there was a reason I kept my skepticism when you and RC and Kilz were intimating dancing bananas were coming. I wasn't big on Anderson, and I stated my case here, but I wasn't down on him either. I never thought Marshall was coming here in the first place, and everyone else that was floated or speculated on had flaws.
I don't know if this hire will succeed or not, but for myself I am going to give it a chance without the melt. Maybe that's because I saw Anderson play here. Maybe it's the soft spot for old Norm that many of us share. But if he can get these kids to play like he did-intense, smart-that will be a huge step forward, and I'm coming around to the idea that we might be ok with this hire. Regardless, I don't think any of the 'home run' hires were anything but fantasy, or they weren't so 'home run' to me. Howland and Anderson were the only two I thought would be around for a while if they succeeded.
My question with Anderson was and is not whether he can coach or not, but how well he can recruit. But then, you can hire guys to be the recruiters-there are plenty of them out there, and we already have one if we can keep him. The three factors for me in this hire were coaching, recruiting, and stability. We got two of the three with Anderson I think, and the third we can hire.
But there was a reason I kept my skepticism when you and RC and Kilz were intimating dancing bananas were coming. I wasn't big on Anderson, and I stated my case here, but I wasn't down on him either. I never thought Marshall was coming here in the first place, and everyone else that was floated or speculated on had flaws.
I don't know if this hire will succeed or not, but for myself I am going to give it a chance without the melt. Maybe that's because I saw Anderson play here. Maybe it's the soft spot for old Norm that many of us share. But if he can get these kids to play like he did-intense, smart-that will be a huge step forward, and I'm coming around to the idea that we might be ok with this hire. Regardless, I don't think any of the 'home run' hires were anything but fantasy, or they weren't so 'home run' to me. Howland and Anderson were the only two I thought would be around for a while if they succeeded.
My question with Anderson was and is not whether he can coach or not, but how well he can recruit. But then, you can hire guys to be the recruiters-there are plenty of them out there, and we already have one if we can keep him. The three factors for me in this hire were coaching, recruiting, and stability. We got two of the three with Anderson I think, and the third we can hire.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 8:00 am to notsince98
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well ya. going this route will require upperclassmen to be successful. You can't just recruit those unless you want more transfers. I don't think anyone wants that.
If you don't think we're taking transfers, you haven't been paying attention. His recruiting, both here and at CMU relied heavily on transfers.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 8:05 am to tobythetiger
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We got two of the three with Anderson I think, and the third we can hire.
This is a legitimate point. But this hire is the ultimate risk/reward hire. That is unless the AD has crunched the numbers and said "doesn't matter what kind of product we put out there, basketball makes $17M." And in those case, you hire the nice guy down the road and make sure Pinkel is getting his physicals regularly.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 8:06 am to notsince98
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People bailing on Anderson should just find another school to support. That includes Semo. That is stupidity at its best.
You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to be very disappointed by this hire. I have supported mizzou with my time, money and professional abilities and connections. I am a Mizzou fan. But I'm disappointed and will not pretend otherwise. I see some very bad years coming. Hope I'm wrong, but until I see it, I see no reason for being excited about basketball.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 8:08 am to the808bass
1) All of div 2 is recruiting transfers.
2) If you think transfers are going to be the bulk of starters under KA's reign, you are severely mistaken.
2) If you think transfers are going to be the bulk of starters under KA's reign, you are severely mistaken.
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