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Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:01 am
If you are looking for some hope for the rest of the season, the big plays they had were all either blown assignments or just piss poor tackling. These are things that can technically be corrected. Now whether you believe this staff can correct these things is a different story, but they are correctable.
The DL started to impose itself after the first quarter. Brandon played a great game, and Anderson also looked pretty good. Beckner and Frazier didn't do much, but we have seen them be top level players before.
The LB did ok. Hall had a couple blown assignments that led to huge plays, but other than that they were solid if not spectacular.
The DB were absolutely brutal. Just horrific. Especially Acy which is disappointing. There were several just completely blown coverages and the tackling was piss poor. If we just have our guys in the correct positions that cuts their point total in half, if they make tackles they should they probably don't break 10.
Again, this stuff is all correctable. Where this season goes from here will come down to if those issues get fixed.
SC has a good QB and a couple of very good WR. If we play the same way next week we will give up 70
The DL started to impose itself after the first quarter. Brandon played a great game, and Anderson also looked pretty good. Beckner and Frazier didn't do much, but we have seen them be top level players before.
The LB did ok. Hall had a couple blown assignments that led to huge plays, but other than that they were solid if not spectacular.
The DB were absolutely brutal. Just horrific. Especially Acy which is disappointing. There were several just completely blown coverages and the tackling was piss poor. If we just have our guys in the correct positions that cuts their point total in half, if they make tackles they should they probably don't break 10.
Again, this stuff is all correctable. Where this season goes from here will come down to if those issues get fixed.
SC has a good QB and a couple of very good WR. If we play the same way next week we will give up 70
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Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:13 am to JesusQuintana
Reading all the comments you would think Mizzou lost to a FCS team.
SBNations numbers guys had Mizzou winning by 25, Mizzou won by 29. Mizzou also did that after a terrible defensive half.
Maybe the defense ends up being that bad, maybe not.
SBNations numbers guys had Mizzou winning by 25, Mizzou won by 29. Mizzou also did that after a terrible defensive half.
Maybe the defense ends up being that bad, maybe not.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:19 am to JesusQuintana
Second half defense was fine.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:45 am to JesusQuintana
I appreciate the rewatch and analysis.
It's hard not to have an emotional response to that defensive performance after many years of good D, followed by last year, then hoping for improvement this year.
I'm not quite ready to write this year off. But, I definitely need to see improvement.
If we come out flat against SC and don't make corrections before Saturday night, were in for a world of hurt.
Not to mention that our offensive skill positions won't be able to just catch the football anywhere on the field and run around opposing defenders in SEC play.
It's hard not to have an emotional response to that defensive performance after many years of good D, followed by last year, then hoping for improvement this year.
I'm not quite ready to write this year off. But, I definitely need to see improvement.
If we come out flat against SC and don't make corrections before Saturday night, were in for a world of hurt.
Not to mention that our offensive skill positions won't be able to just catch the football anywhere on the field and run around opposing defenders in SEC play.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:56 am to JesusQuintana
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The DL started to impose itself after the first quarter.
I agree about Brandon, Walter Palmore led all defensive linemen and tied for the team lead with 6 tackles.
quote:This group looked unprepared for their opponent. None of them could find the ball in the first qtr and their 3rd down play created a lot of space behind them that led to chain moving throws.
The LB did ok.
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The DB were absolutely brutal
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:19 pm to JesusQuintana
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If you are looking for some hope for the rest of the season, the big plays they had were all either blown assignments or just piss poor tackling.
In other words...their big plays came because our defense sucks. There are usually things that make you suck. On defense, it's usually blown assignments or poor tackling.
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These are things that can technically be corrected.
I agree. If they stop sucking, they will no longer suck.
In more seriousness, if I had to look for some hope on defense, it was Brandon. I thought Garrett was mediocre at LB but was probably most consistent. Biesel is good at playing chase. Yes, the DB's, every single one of them, are horrible. I seriously think they could have cut every single one from the team an hour before game time and had guys from campus show up and do as poorly.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:24 pm to ZOUtiger
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It's hard not to have an emotional response to that defensive performance after many years of good D, followed by last year, then hoping for improvement this year.
I hear ya. I wasn't even hoping for a defense like just a couple of years ago. Just better than last year. Let's not kid ourselves. That showing was drastically worse than last year's defense. The comparable game last year would have been Delaware State. Missouri State might be slightly better but not much better.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:10 pm to notsince98
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Second half defense was fine.
Just to add context to this. Total offense for SMSU the 2nd half was 110 yards with 1 TD.
Not great but solid. It is magnificent if you compare it to the first half.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 3:40 pm to notsince98
Don't forget they had a decent amount of their top offensive players leave the game injured and not return in the second half. You can't allow 40 plus points to a Div. 2 school. I just hope this isn't an equivalent to the basketball team loss to UMKC even though the football team won the game.
Moral victory for the Div. 2 team?
Moral victory for the Div. 2 team?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:19 pm to Zou brownmajic
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Div. 2 team?
MSU is not Div 2 but FCS, hell I am glad that D did not face a Div 2 team in Northwest Missouri State, they would have put up more points then 43
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:12 pm to reedus23
quote:about the best analysis I've seen today
If they stop sucking, they will no longer suck.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 6:10 pm to MIZ_COU
Well, it's a little more involved than that.
Pretty specific areas that need to be improved, and the mistakes that plagued us are ones that can reasonably be expected to be improved.
If Mo St was just beating us off the ball and running 10 plus play drives into the end zone then the "they suck" mantra would be a bit more valid.
Nearly everything they got was completely self inflicted. It very well may turnout to be that we just suck, we shall see.
Pretty specific areas that need to be improved, and the mistakes that plagued us are ones that can reasonably be expected to be improved.
If Mo St was just beating us off the ball and running 10 plus play drives into the end zone then the "they suck" mantra would be a bit more valid.
Nearly everything they got was completely self inflicted. It very well may turnout to be that we just suck, we shall see.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 6:24 pm to MIZ_COU
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about the best analysis I've seen today
Took a lot of thought. I just think it's easy to say the defense will be better if they stop doing what they're doing and do something different. Of course I agree with that. Of course, a lot of what went wrong is fixable, whether by coaching or putting the right talent on the field. But until they do one, the other or both, we are what we are.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 6:52 pm to reedus23
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just think it's easy to say the defense will be better if they stop doing what they're doing and do something different
Most of the obvious mistakes that led to MSU scores in the first half were fixed in the second. This defense isn't going to shut teams down, too many of the best players are first year players. It can play more like their second half selves, limit teams to 23-28 points/game and give the offense a chance to win them games.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:28 pm to wubilli
I think it is a blessing that Walters wont be able to send Hilton out on the field on 3rd down until the 2nd half next week.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 10:38 pm to navynuke
We have a youth problem.
and a Walters problem
and a Cross problem
those are fixable too
and a Walters problem
and a Cross problem
those are fixable too
Posted on 9/4/17 at 3:03 am to MIZ_COU
Anybody have the thought in the back of their mind that Steck and Odom plotted House Of Cards-style to make our defense look completely inept to lull usce next week? Me neither. I only got to watch blurry pictures on airplane wifi until it cut out over the pacific, so i couldn't make out the blown coverages. I'm hoping JQ is right and their are a few correctable things to fix.
This board went equally (and justifiably) apeshit over the indiana loss a few years back and we ended up winning the division. We also got out the razorblades for wrist-slashing two games later when were shut out for uga. Wait until we see the product this saturday against a real team to decide whether to jump off the cliff.
We should have an in game thread that runs with every doomsday comment and a post game with actual calm analysis. Like The difference between CNN and a newspaper. Yes they sucked in the first half on defense and may not win another game. Or not.
This board went equally (and justifiably) apeshit over the indiana loss a few years back and we ended up winning the division. We also got out the razorblades for wrist-slashing two games later when were shut out for uga. Wait until we see the product this saturday against a real team to decide whether to jump off the cliff.
We should have an in game thread that runs with every doomsday comment and a post game with actual calm analysis. Like The difference between CNN and a newspaper. Yes they sucked in the first half on defense and may not win another game. Or not.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 3:06 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:44 am to pauliebleaker
Here is an article regarding the defense
LINK
Assignment breakdowns were the main culprit and Odom said the game plan was too complicated. No WHY he felt the need for a complicated game plan, I'm sure I don't know...but, once he simplified the coverages the breakdowns stopped.
LINK
Assignment breakdowns were the main culprit and Odom said the game plan was too complicated. No WHY he felt the need for a complicated game plan, I'm sure I don't know...but, once he simplified the coverages the breakdowns stopped.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:05 am to JesusQuintana
I'll believe it when I see it that it's just "coverage break downs". Seems to me MoState just got gassed and injured and stopped making the plays that were available.
We shall see soon enough.
We shall see soon enough.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:09 am to Athos
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Seems to me MoState just got gassed and injured and stopped making the plays that were available.
That may be true, but the defensive breakdowns didn't happen in the second half, like they did in the first. Tackling still wasn't great, and is a concern considering Mizzou was a bad tackling team last season as well.
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