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re: Reasons for decreased attendance
Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:08 pm to 5thTiger
Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:08 pm to 5thTiger
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Edit: Sorry I enjoy the kansas game. Sorry I see it as a piece of American history. I'm sorry I don't have an affinity to play Miss. St. or LSU. I'm sorry that I don't enjoy the fact that over 100 years of history against former Big 8 teams simply go out the window.
You dont have to be sorry man. You are a Mizzou fan and entitled to your opinions.
I just think you are biased. I dont think the move to the SEC is the reason the BB program attendance is down. I mean, there are a myriad of practical reasons for the decline right in front of our faces that dont have anything to do with the move.
Dont know man. Until the program gets back on its feet there would have been attendance issues regardless of which conference they were playing.
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:15 pm to kilo
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I just think you are biased. I dont think the move to the SEC is the reason the BB program attendance is down. I mean, there are a myriad of practical reasons for the decline right in front of our faces that dont have anything to do with the move.
I may be biased, but statistics do not lie. From 05-06 to 2011-12 we had a steady increase in basketball attendance. Sure, 2011-12 was probably a peak, due to 30-5 team. But the 2012-13 season didn't fall off too far. Although it was the first year in the SEC. The next year had very similar records and results to 2012-13, yet resulted in around 2,400 less fans per conference game.
I didn't even discuss this abomination of a season.
What caused the 2012-13 to 2013-14 drop in attendance?
The main argument has been that winning influences attendance more than anything, which is relatively true. But when we were winning and on the bubble, why did we see a nearly 2.5k drop in attendance?
Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:23 pm to 5thTiger
Maybe people lost the faith in haith after the Norfolk State disaster. The turnover of the roster with juco and transfers.
I dont know but those seem more logical to me than blaming it on conference realignment. Does it play a minor role? Sure but its not the main catalyst for attendance problems. I think the biggest issue is that football is really starting to over shadow BB at Mizzou. Its been gradually happening over the last 7-8 years.
That's just my opinion.
I dont know but those seem more logical to me than blaming it on conference realignment. Does it play a minor role? Sure but its not the main catalyst for attendance problems. I think the biggest issue is that football is really starting to over shadow BB at Mizzou. Its been gradually happening over the last 7-8 years.
That's just my opinion.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:28 pm to kilo
I used to go to a lot of basketball games. They stopped being as interesting with the move to the Mizzou Arena. It became much more corporate, and less of a good fan experience. It felt colder, and more sterile - not like a college sporting event. I prefer college sports to pro for the most part (Cardinals and Blues notwithstanding!) And it's a lot more expensive now than it used to be, for sure.
As far as wanting to still be in the big 12 - I think that if we had stayed, there's every chance that the conference would have imploded by now. Mizzou is loyal, and put up with a lot from texas. Eventually, it got to be too much. I think our leaving was the catalyst for some needed change there. And I think our leaving was necessary to the successful future of all our athletic programs. Things change - we had to change with it.
Do I wish we still had the kansas game? Yeah, I guess. But that was an ugly rivalry - bitter doesn't come close to describing some of the things I saw with it. I was ready for something new. We are all, however, entitled to our own opinions. I couldn't be happier with where we are today.
As far as wanting to still be in the big 12 - I think that if we had stayed, there's every chance that the conference would have imploded by now. Mizzou is loyal, and put up with a lot from texas. Eventually, it got to be too much. I think our leaving was the catalyst for some needed change there. And I think our leaving was necessary to the successful future of all our athletic programs. Things change - we had to change with it.
Do I wish we still had the kansas game? Yeah, I guess. But that was an ugly rivalry - bitter doesn't come close to describing some of the things I saw with it. I was ready for something new. We are all, however, entitled to our own opinions. I couldn't be happier with where we are today.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:30 pm to kilo
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The turnover of the roster with juco and transfers.
One of the reasons I love college sports is becoming familiar with the players, and enjoying their time at the University. Take away the familiarity, and it's just not as fun for me. We get players in for a year, or two, and they move on - no continuity. Meh.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:39 pm to semotruman
The move to the SEC is definitely the reason we don't go any longer. The only conference game each year worth getting excited about is Kentucky. A game against Georgia or Mississippi or Tennessee equates to a game against Lipscomb or Long Beach State... Just not worth the effort to drive across town or the money to buy 5 tickets, popcorn, and soda when we can just watch it on TV.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:46 pm to Koch Snowflake
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The move to the SEC is definitely the reason we don't go any longer. The only conference game each year worth getting excited about is Kentucky. A game against Georgia or Mississippi or Tennessee equates to a game against Lipscomb or Long Beach State... Just not worth the effort to drive across town or the money to buy 5 tickets, popcorn, and soda when we can just watch it on TV.
I agree 100%.
Just another little thing. I know people from ku/kstate/iowastate/OU/Nebraska. I work with people from those schools in my day to day life. Especially in KC, when you go to a sports bar, you can debate and have fun with those people over games because you are around them. It's just not the same now that we don't play those schools. I can't say the same about SEC schools.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 4/23/15 at 3:51 pm to 5thTiger
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Just another little thing. I know people from ku/kstate/iowastate/OU/Nebraska. I work with people from those schools in my day to day life. Especially in KC, when you go to a sports bar, you can debate and have fun with those people over games because you are around them. It's just not the same now that we don't play those schools. I can't say the same about SEC schools.
I work with Ole Miss,Kentucky,Arkansas and Tennessee alums and we love it because we can talk about "SEC things"
Posted on 4/23/15 at 4:01 pm to kilo
Just another KC vs STL thing.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 4:08 pm to 5thTiger
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Just another KC vs STL thing.
Nah, just a different perspective thing.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 5:23 pm to kilo
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I work with Ole Miss,Kentucky,Arkansas and Tennessee alums and we love it because we can talk about "SEC things"
I work with Alabama, Auburn and Tennessee people as well as Mizzou. Same thing.
Has nothing to do with KC vs STL. And anyone SHOULD be able to get excited about their team playing, regardless of who the opponent is. Especially in-conference games. People have to look forward, not backward. I predict we will develop great basketball rivalries with Tennessee, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vandy, etc. Even Kentucky and Florida. It'll just take a little time.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 5:41 pm to semotruman
I see the OP took his case to tRant.
I think its a little ironic that some Mizzou fans on the West side of the state are having a hard time with the move. Its hard for me, on the east side, to have much sympathy. I was a Mizzou fan through and through even though all the bordering conference members were on the west and north side of the State. It didn't change my fandom one bit.
I think its a little ironic that some Mizzou fans on the West side of the state are having a hard time with the move. Its hard for me, on the east side, to have much sympathy. I was a Mizzou fan through and through even though all the bordering conference members were on the west and north side of the State. It didn't change my fandom one bit.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 7:46 pm to 5thTiger
Miss absolutely nothing about the Big 12 personally. Big 8? Different story. But hell, 2 of those teams left the Big 12 before us ending some of that tradition already.
As for attendance, there's obviously no one answer and I think everyone has pretty much hit the main points. For me, it's just about quality. I'll hope they win regardless but the amount of time, effort and expense I'll actually devote to it all depends on the quality being offered, whether it's Mizzou's team, the opponent, the amenities or whatever.
As for attendance, there's obviously no one answer and I think everyone has pretty much hit the main points. For me, it's just about quality. I'll hope they win regardless but the amount of time, effort and expense I'll actually devote to it all depends on the quality being offered, whether it's Mizzou's team, the opponent, the amenities or whatever.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:31 pm to wubilli
Are you saying you're as likely to show up to a Savannah State game as you are a game against kansas?
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:57 pm to 5thTiger
More basketball games are on tv.
It's hard to get to games during the week.
Ect ect exsedurh
Yeah, sure, maybe the whiny minority in KC who don't like the SEC might not be coming to as many games.
Give em a winner, and a roster with some continuity year in and year out -- even the whiniest of KC basketball fans will show up.
It's hard to get to games during the week.
Ect ect exsedurh
Yeah, sure, maybe the whiny minority in KC who don't like the SEC might not be coming to as many games.
Give em a winner, and a roster with some continuity year in and year out -- even the whiniest of KC basketball fans will show up.
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:26 pm to kilo
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I think its a little ironic that some Mizzou fans on the West side of the state are having a hard time with the move. Its hard for me, on the east side, to have much sympathy.
Yeah, me either. I grew up in Cape Girardeau. We were closer to SEC venues. People gotta realize that there are Mizzou fans all over the state, and now others get to have convenient road trips. If you're a fan, you'll suck it up and realize this move was the best thing that could have possibly happened to Mizzou.
I'm not sure what the OP hopes to accomplish. We certainly aren't going back. You can choose to look back and be a malcontent, or look ahead with excitement and optimism to new rivalries. Or, become a beaker or a bugeater, I guess.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 4/24/15 at 12:26 am to 5thTiger
If I lived closer I would attend some games.The long travel, cost, horrible product on the court, improved TV experience is how I see it.Travel was a lot easier in Big 12 for me, but I like the move to the SEC and focus on football.I have always thought of MO as a "pro sports first" state.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 8:31 am to semotruman
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Yeah, me either. I grew up in Cape Girardeau. We were closer to SEC venues. People gotta realize that there are Mizzou fans all over the state, and now others get to have convenient road trips. If you're a fan, you'll suck it up and realize this move was the best thing that could have possibly happened to Mizzo
I appreciate that some people are closer to a few SEC venues (Arkansas, Maybe Tenn or Vandy) but that is in the bootheel. From Columbia The distance between Big12 North schools vs SEC East schools is not even close to comparable. So that is not really a very good argument.
I still attend every football, basketball game, and wrestling matches in Columbia. MY attendance hasn't changed, even though I am from the West side originally.
As for rivalries...quit dreaming. Other than Arkansas of course. Missouri becoming a rival to teams in the SEC would be like Texas Tech and Baylor becoming our rivals when they joined the Big 12. We already had established rivalries, and just didn't have the history to create a real rivalry.
We likely aren't leaving the SEC, your right. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't examine if it was the right move or not.
Also, realignment isn't over. At least not when we have 5 power conferences and 4 college football playoff spots. 16-team Mega conferences are definitely coming, it's only a matter of whether it will be the ACC or Big 12 that folds.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:57 am to 5thTiger
If distance is a factor in attendance, shouldn't that only impact how the other team travels?
As a Mizzou fan I go to watch my guys.
Football attendance has gone up. In large part, due to SEC fans traveling better.
Basketball has gone down, maybe SEC BBall fans don't travel as well. But there are also lots of Mizzou fans that don't go.
As a Mizzou fan I go to watch my guys.
Football attendance has gone up. In large part, due to SEC fans traveling better.
Basketball has gone down, maybe SEC BBall fans don't travel as well. But there are also lots of Mizzou fans that don't go.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 1:41 pm to 5thTiger
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We likely aren't leaving the SEC, your right. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't examine if it was the right move or not.
Why? It was a 100 year decision, and it's been made. It won't be unmade. All this examination was done by the decision makers a few years ago. You might be happier if you'd look forward, not back.
You seem to be looking at this through a very personal lens. If you must examine the issue further, though it's been discussed to death already, think about what was best for Mizzou in the long run.
Why did we want to move? Instability. Lack of money. Texas control and the lhn. Lack of parity/fair treatment. Low media profile and few TV events. High probability that the conference would implode.
What did we get from this move that we wouldn't have had? Stability. Money. Improved media profile. More events on TV. This was the best possible outcome for the University.
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As for rivalries...quit dreaming
It won't happen overnight - but it will happen. The next generation of fans is going to grow up with new conference foes. It will happen.
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At least not when we have 5 power conferences and 4 college football playoff spots.
I think you will see an 8-team playoff sooner rather than later.
What are you hoping to get from beating this dead horse, both on this board and on tRant?
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 1:42 pm
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