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NCAA policy- johnny football and more
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 9:36 pm
After hearing countless stories on Johnny Footballs alleged signing memorabilia for personal gain (money). There has been alot of negative feedback towards the NCAA bylaw which states that: players or their friends and family, cannot sell anything with their own likeness.(signatures, video games, magazines, etc) With all this speculation surrounding JFF and aTm I have heard many argue that the NCAA is unfair to student athletes and also have heard how their guidelines are dated and need to be re-evaluated to fit our times today. I have also heard from traditionalists who think that the rules should stay the way they are.
While I think it is unfair for the NCAA to not allow athletes to make money from their own image (that they create through their play on the field) I realize that they (NCAA) needs this money to function to keep a system in place for all college athletes universities and greatly effect organizations that "graduated" athletes attend (NFL NBA MLB etc) if the NCAA fails.
I also think however that deregulation of athletes and their abilities to market themselves would be destructive to the landscape because it will already make the Bama's UF's and other prestigious programs to potentially gain sponsorship from firms making an even high disparity between schools. While I know this exists now I believe it would be even greater if athletes would be able to be paid to play. One of the aspects of college football that I love is the chance for an upset and playing for love of the game.
My solution for the situation I have seen is maybe when a student athlete has the opportunity to sign with a school he/she has two options:
1. Take the traditional scholarship and rationed monthly money from the NCAA. Paying for school and room and board and potentially food. (a safer bet)
Or
2. Sign to the school and attend with no full scholarship or NCAA rations, but have all the rights to the image they would create. (aka a more risky but high reward system)
What are your thoughts?
While I think it is unfair for the NCAA to not allow athletes to make money from their own image (that they create through their play on the field) I realize that they (NCAA) needs this money to function to keep a system in place for all college athletes universities and greatly effect organizations that "graduated" athletes attend (NFL NBA MLB etc) if the NCAA fails.
I also think however that deregulation of athletes and their abilities to market themselves would be destructive to the landscape because it will already make the Bama's UF's and other prestigious programs to potentially gain sponsorship from firms making an even high disparity between schools. While I know this exists now I believe it would be even greater if athletes would be able to be paid to play. One of the aspects of college football that I love is the chance for an upset and playing for love of the game.
My solution for the situation I have seen is maybe when a student athlete has the opportunity to sign with a school he/she has two options:
1. Take the traditional scholarship and rationed monthly money from the NCAA. Paying for school and room and board and potentially food. (a safer bet)
Or
2. Sign to the school and attend with no full scholarship or NCAA rations, but have all the rights to the image they would create. (aka a more risky but high reward system)
What are your thoughts?
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 10:00 pm
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Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:02 pm to TrueSon2014
I've thought about this a lot. I actually don't agree with paying players, or with allowing them to profit from their images. That's the difference between amateur athletes and professionals.
The NCAA athlete made the decision that playing college ball was in their best interests, better than going pro and into the arena league, or the CFL. That was their choice, and they agreed to live with those rules for a minimum of 3 years before they could go into the NFL. During those 3 years, they are provided with room, board, tuition, the best in medical care and physical training, and given opportunities to travel across the country. In return, they agree to be amateurs for that period of time - and that includes not profiting. They decided to be NCAA athletes, and that's part of the deal. If making money is that critical, they should have chosen a different course.
I would have no objection to their scholarships covering the true cost of education - that is, including incidentals. But if you get into anything more than that, you open a huge can of worms called Title XI. That pesky little law would require you to treat football players just like volleyball, soccer or track athletes. So, if you pay one, you have to start paying all. No school can afford that. So, sweeten the scholarships a little if that's needed, but no paying players. In my opinion, of course.
The NCAA athlete made the decision that playing college ball was in their best interests, better than going pro and into the arena league, or the CFL. That was their choice, and they agreed to live with those rules for a minimum of 3 years before they could go into the NFL. During those 3 years, they are provided with room, board, tuition, the best in medical care and physical training, and given opportunities to travel across the country. In return, they agree to be amateurs for that period of time - and that includes not profiting. They decided to be NCAA athletes, and that's part of the deal. If making money is that critical, they should have chosen a different course.
I would have no objection to their scholarships covering the true cost of education - that is, including incidentals. But if you get into anything more than that, you open a huge can of worms called Title XI. That pesky little law would require you to treat football players just like volleyball, soccer or track athletes. So, if you pay one, you have to start paying all. No school can afford that. So, sweeten the scholarships a little if that's needed, but no paying players. In my opinion, of course.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:10 pm to semotruman
Semo you bring really good points up in your response
However with the two options I have stated maybe both can exist? With the money the NCAA saves from players who take route 2 they can pay route 1.
I am simply implying a choice to be given to the athletes. So they can chose to be helped by the NCAA and recieve benefits such as a free education at a university. Or be able to go out on a limb and have to pay the university yourself with their own money from their own body of work.
Again just my opinions
However with the two options I have stated maybe both can exist? With the money the NCAA saves from players who take route 2 they can pay route 1.
I am simply implying a choice to be given to the athletes. So they can chose to be helped by the NCAA and recieve benefits such as a free education at a university. Or be able to go out on a limb and have to pay the university yourself with their own money from their own body of work.
Again just my opinions
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:11 pm to TrueSon2014
No way "B" works. It would result in all those big programs literally and legally buying the top athletes. How much $$$ do you think Texas or UF will pay the kid for his image if he attends their school. No way.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:12 pm to reedus23
The whole reason why I think point 2 would work would be because the players have the rights to their own image not the schools or the NCAA.
It just makes it possible to sell their own image autograph or whatever
The only thing the school would gain would be getting an athelte that is an impact player who happens to wear their jersey on game days. So they can sign other things and be shown wearing a jersey but in JFF's case he could make money making magazine spreads on espns magazine and he'd just wear a generic jersey instead of an aTm Jersey
It just makes it possible to sell their own image autograph or whatever
The only thing the school would gain would be getting an athelte that is an impact player who happens to wear their jersey on game days. So they can sign other things and be shown wearing a jersey but in JFF's case he could make money making magazine spreads on espns magazine and he'd just wear a generic jersey instead of an aTm Jersey
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:17 pm to TrueSon2014
So how do you stop this from happening then. Andy Bauer, currently committed to OM. Stan Kroenke says "Hey, Andy, I will pay you $500,000 to go to Mizzou." Bauer turns around and tells OM this. So an OM booster say "I will pay you $750,000 to stay with OM" Suddenly, the top players in the nation are only going to go to the wealthiest schools. Not even necessarily the best football programs.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:20 pm to reedus23
But if that's really the case what's to say it isn't happening now ala cam newton and reggie bush and many more.
All im saying is this would give athletes a choice. A choice that could make them money legally but is still risky cause they are responsible for the schooling bills themselves.
I enjoy getting feedback reedus
All im saying is this would give athletes a choice. A choice that could make them money legally but is still risky cause they are responsible for the schooling bills themselves.
I enjoy getting feedback reedus
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:26 pm to TrueSon2014
I do too True. Trying to hash it out because one thing seems certain. What's in place no ain't working. I just don't know what a good answer would be. I think the fact that it is against the rules currently at least keeps it in check. I'd be afraid what would come of it if it were above board. I also don't think there's any risk involved for the player. I'd be getting that check up front upon signing my LOI. Then the costs of school are paid for for certain.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:32 pm to reedus23
Yes it's a very sticky situation. But also how many 5* recruits are busts also? I feel like boosters would be more speculative until they produce on the field
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:35 pm to reedus23
True, I get where you're coming from, I really do. But what you're proposing would basically become NFL Lite. Because if you go that route, you have no leverage to ensure they went to class. I just think it gets too far away from "college" sports that way.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:37 pm to semotruman
I mean they would still have to qualify and make grades to stay on the team just like any other college athlete. (I'm sure many do not attend now either however)
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:43 pm to TrueSon2014
I guarantee you they don't go. I never went to class or took tests and got A's and B's. The semester I stopped playing, well all of a sudden the grades that were sent home were all F's. Go figure that.
ETA - Shouldn't say never. Rarely though. There were "sports friendly" professors and then regular professors.
ETA - Shouldn't say never. Rarely though. There were "sports friendly" professors and then regular professors.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:50 pm to reedus23
What sport did you play reedus?
Yes I agree. From what I know here at Mizzou now many athletes have a tutor thus making class somewhat more of an option rather than a necessity. I am not saying all athletes don't go to class but I have some classes with some athletes and they are not there every class period. However I am sure many do go to class as well.
My point being that as of right now my opinion is that the responsibility of the class falls onto the student athletes desires. Grades however are an NCAA / university issue
Yes I agree. From what I know here at Mizzou now many athletes have a tutor thus making class somewhat more of an option rather than a necessity. I am not saying all athletes don't go to class but I have some classes with some athletes and they are not there every class period. However I am sure many do go to class as well.
My point being that as of right now my opinion is that the responsibility of the class falls onto the student athletes desires. Grades however are an NCAA / university issue
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:52 pm to TrueSon2014
Baseball at a shite school so if it goes on there and in a non-revenue sport, I can only imagine at a big time program in the biggest of the sports.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:54 pm to reedus23
The problem as I see it is, no matter what changes you make, people are still going to break the new rules if need be. I think it's a question of enforcement as it is what is the rule itself. If you're going to keep the rule as is, is there a better way of enforcing it? Maybe anyone found to have broken the rule has to re-pay the NCAA the costs of the investigation on top of whatever other penalties.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 11:01 pm to reedus23
Ny point being that as of right now my opinion is that the responsibility of the class falls onto the student athletes desire to learn and further their academic career. While Grades however are an NCAA / university issue's because if atheletes do not make grades or cheat they are ineligible
And you bring up a good point reedus. It makes you think which schools really follow the rules.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 11:05 pm to TrueSon2014
Personally, I think the NCAA Bylaws are fine. It's the enforcement and inconsistencies that have everyone riled up. What needs to happen is there needs to be an explicit "criminal code" of NCAA Bylaws, where there is:
- a specific sentence if you get caught and don't turn yourself in.
- a specific (but lesser) sentence if you self-report
All the Committee on Infractions should really do is to rule guilty and not guilty.
As to your proposal, keep in mind that every kid who signs with a top-tier team thinks he's going to be the next big thing. All of them, and I mean all of them, would take the second option. It doesn't matter what school, they would do it. And they can't have agents. Look at a guy like Jevan Snead, Tyler Bray, and all the players who left college early and didn't even get drafted.
- a specific sentence if you get caught and don't turn yourself in.
- a specific (but lesser) sentence if you self-report
All the Committee on Infractions should really do is to rule guilty and not guilty.
As to your proposal, keep in mind that every kid who signs with a top-tier team thinks he's going to be the next big thing. All of them, and I mean all of them, would take the second option. It doesn't matter what school, they would do it. And they can't have agents. Look at a guy like Jevan Snead, Tyler Bray, and all the players who left college early and didn't even get drafted.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 11:06 pm to reedus23
That would be interesting idea reedus but what about a case like cam newton who comes from a family with almost nothing? How would they be able to pay for it?
The NCAA is also notoriously slow for getting to solving/punishing these infractions. Ala cam newton reggie bush. Ohio state and now Johnny Football. Many of these cases came to a close after the damage had already been done and teams were given the chance to compete. To me that's not fair for athletes who play the system fairly by the rules. So that's why I thought my idea was somewhat fair.
The NCAA is also notoriously slow for getting to solving/punishing these infractions. Ala cam newton reggie bush. Ohio state and now Johnny Football. Many of these cases came to a close after the damage had already been done and teams were given the chance to compete. To me that's not fair for athletes who play the system fairly by the rules. So that's why I thought my idea was somewhat fair.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 11:12 pm to Bama Bird
Why would anyone report themselves if it's already proven its so hard to truly be caught??
And in those cases at top tier programs will have issues of their own because they will have to pay for schooling without full scholarship help from the school. They have to produce enough money to pay tuition. Which is expensive man. Lol to me it seems like a fair comparison. But maybe not it's just my opinion.
Thanks for posting bama bird!
And in those cases at top tier programs will have issues of their own because they will have to pay for schooling without full scholarship help from the school. They have to produce enough money to pay tuition. Which is expensive man. Lol to me it seems like a fair comparison. But maybe not it's just my opinion.
Thanks for posting bama bird!
Posted on 8/21/13 at 11:13 pm to TrueSon2014
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That would be interesting idea reedus but what about a case like cam newton who comes from a family with almost nothing? How would they be able to pay for it?
Guys got money now. As for all the kids that don't go pro that are guilty, well maybe they'll think twice about it before starting life off with a multi million dollar judgment over their head.
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